If Loma avenges Salido is he better than Mayweather?

Great post and hits the nail on the button and is the ultimate crux.
His critics are ultimately looking for a few more things:
- Be able to avenge Salido so people can feel confident enough about him facing his ultimate stylistic threats
- Let's see him fight more big names
- Lets see him show the heart in tough situations that a Great will face. Lomachenko is showing as many glimmers of it as he can for someone who is just so dominant to his competition.

As it stands, people are well within their right to believe he's better than Mayweather after beating names that are from the same tier as from Mayweather's best days.
Lomachenko wants Salido, Vargas, Gamboa and Mikey Garcia.

 

I think Sacheato did a good job of reading him, though he beat Loma dirty, it's still on his record as a loss, and rightfully so. Floyd would have whooped Salido at 130, no problem. Goyo Vargas would have beat Salido.

 

You guys must have forgot how good Floyd was at 130.
This ain't no ****ing Walters.

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I agree BUT the Corrales that Mayweather fought was a whole different Corrales and that cannot be avoided. I always gave Floyd the benefit of the doubt with the Corrales win but now I know the extent of the drainage, I can't give Mayweather full credit and that's Corrales' stupid fault, not PBF's.

Paez Sr would've been KO'd. Azumah is an ATG.

 

I don't even care about Corrales. Chicanito is head and heels over Martinez and Walters combined. There's no argument that could negate this statement.

 

That's a very ignorant comment. Salido did not read him at all, hence why he had to rely on Lomachenko's lack of knowledge as a 2 fight pro, in a fight that was about what Loma didn't do than what he did do.
Floyd has already shown to me that he's not a Great when against his stylistic threats, being 1-1 to Castillo and 1-0-1 with Maidana.

 

Genaro was finished as a fighter but rather than getting into that, I would agree actually.
Lomachenko ultimately has 8 fights and is looking for the biggest names to prove himself. My only fear is that he's going to go to 135 and stay there when it's not his prime weight whatsoever.
If Lomachenko gets wins over Vargas, Gamboa, Salido and maybe someone else, he's probably the greatest SFW of all time.
He is going to be 29 in a few months and would have 9 fights left of his prime.

 

It's ignorant of you take away from his victory. He was awarded the victory, plain and simple. Wait till Loma fight mikey then we can compare him to Floyd because that's going to be his true test, the same as when Floyd fought Castillo. What if mikey beats Loma, then what? All this will be hot air, and instead of letting him grow into his own fighter, you compared him to Floyd and he failed to live up to the expectations.. Let him grow, he's young, he's on the the right track, and he'll get there in time. It's premature to say he's better than Floyd h2h at 130.

 

He was finished but was 32 and only had 1 defeat but he was finished. Please man.. I know you're LomachenkoIsTBE and if you want to ride him that's fine, I think he's a great fighter, but let's not go overboard. GRJ, Martinez and Walters are nothing compared to Corrales or chicanito...PERIOD...

 

I can't believe this. Walters would KO Paez Sr.... WOW.

 

Lomachenko beating Mikey will not prove this, Mikey is a big LW and Loma has a smaller frame than Floyd.
I think Lomachenko earned a decision, but I don't consider Salido's victory much of a victory because there wasn't really effective boxing going on, it was just taking advantage of a fight who is fighting too conservatively because he hasn't fought 12 rounds yet, hasn't adjusted his strategy according to 12 rounds (Loma's biggest ever ability was his ability to understand what to do over 3 rounds, hence he never really lost as an amateur), Loma also thought he won the fight because he was point scoring the amateur way - and he was only two fights in. Factor all that in and it's a joke. Floyd would've got manhandled and had his candy taken away in his 2nd pro fight. Yes, Floyd was younger but the pro resume is the pro resume, regardless.

I think it's premature for a lot of people, but Floyd's career has proved that you can make these judgements because it proves you don't have to fight a single fighter in a 19 year career who is at or near prime ATG or even mid tier HOF level let alone higher tier HOF and to go even further with PBF from 130 days, you don't even need to fight someone who's a guaranteed HOF!

 

Ultimately, regardless of whether Lomachenko has proven it or not, it is reasonable for anyone to believe that he might just be better, but they'd want to see more fights so they can have that full informed opinion.
I believe he is better and the fight last night further cemented why. Lomachenko just looked 3 levels above an elite and it was weirdly humiliating and Loma never got out of second gear.

 

So then there's really no pleasing you, because at the end of the day Mikey is a 2 division world champ and Castillo arguably lost to stevie Johnston 2x. And we cannot take away from Salido's victory, so stop looking for ways to take away his credit. He earned it, let him have it. Loma got pushed because of his amatuer pedigree, he also competed in the WSB which is an entry to pro level boxing. This wasnt around in 97' or '98. Times had evolved and floyd did it the old fashioned way by moving up the ladder. Loma got pushed out the gate and lost to Salido. There's no changing that. Regardless GRJ, MARTINEZ and Walters are good wins, but they are not along the lines of Chicanito or Corrales.

 

I mean honestly let's do a role reversal. What if Loma beat fighters like Chicanito, Chico, Manfredy, chavez, and Carlos Hernandez, and Floyd beat GRJ, Roman Martinez and Nicholas Walters who would you guys consider the better fighter? LOL... CMON MAN.

 

I do ultimately give Salido credit, but not much. He did make Loma look like a lost boy and probably wont make Loma look good even in a rematch.
WSB is exactly like current AIBA's but 2 extra rounds. Same padded gloves, same judging, same moderation of the fight, against amateur fighters who have amateur styles etc.
I'll just agree to disagree there when I say Walters simply better than very drained Corrales who had nothing in him vs Floyd although for sure (it's heinously unfair to say otherwise), Corrales when fit is better than Walters, though.

Anyway, Loma still has to have more fights and he'll improve yet further IF someone challenges him in the slightest.