If Lucian Bute is not the IBF Champ, then neither was Lacy and neither was Joe!

What is all this nonsense about Joe being unified or being the "true" IBF Champ or what not...?

Lucian Bute is the IBF Champ...Joe gave up the belt; he didn't defend it, preferring instead to fight Manfredo for fame and fortune!

Remember, how did Joe get his hands on the IBF belt? By beating Jeff Lacy! And how did Lacy get his hands on the IBF belt himself? Well, the eliminator for the IBF #2 spot against Tsypko was declared no contest because of a headbutt cut Tsypko so Lacy fought Vanderpool (who beat Mendoza in the other eliminator) for the VACANT IBF SMW title...and won.

How did Bute get it? Well, he beat Bika in SMW title eliminator and then he beat Berrio in the title fight. Berrio was already Champ when Bute beat him - the belt wasn't vacant - Berrio having beaten Stieglitz for the vacant SMW Title...

In other words, Bute beat Bika in the eliminator and then beat the Champ Berrio who had won the vacant belt. On the other hand, Lacy only beat Vanderpool for the vacant belt - he didn't even beat Tsypko in the eliminator! So if Lacy IS considered a real IBF Champ, why isn't Bute?

But if Lacy was not considered the real IBF Champ, how in hell did Joe become the REAL, TRUE AND ONLY IBF Champ - by beating a non-real Champ in Lacy?

Look, here is a picture of Joe wearing the IBF belt:

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Here is another!

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So if Joe thought that he WAS the Real IBF Champ simply by having beaten Lacy - who won the vacant belt, then why isn't Bute the Real IBF Champ, having beaten the previous IBF Champ - who won the vacant belt? Joe wasn't any more the IBF Champ after he beat Lacy than Lucian is now after he beat Berrio - not in any way!

So let us stop all this nonsense!

Lucian Bute is the IBF Champ. If he is a paper IBF champ, then so was Joe after beating Lacy...end of story.

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Geez you're a little insecure.
Lucian might be the IBF champ.. but there can be only one real champ and that is Calzaghe. Bute is a paper champ.

 

Good God! Calm down! :-(

 

Joe was "The Champ" not because he had certain belts but because he was the best! But just because he is the best and just because he has beaten the best in the division doesn't mean he has unified or that he is "the Real" IBF Champ. Joe is the best. Always was and always will be at 168, until he retires. But he has not unified and he is not the IBF Champ, real or unreal. :deal

 

How dare you sir, question the almighty and all knowing Calzaghe brotherhood about ANYTHING they say???

 

Well Decebal the difference is of course that Ottke vacated the belts for Lacy by retiring, whereas Joe was stripped of the IBF while still fighting some of the best figthers in the world because he didn't face a fraudulent mandatory (Stieglitz). So I fully understand when people call Joe the real IBF champ and Bute a paper one.

 

Since when did we start calling people "Champs" - when they never beat the "Champ".

The Alphabet Belt Orgs strip fighters all the time for nothing.

He didn't beat Joe for the belt - and I doubt if anyone would argue that Joe's not the real "Champ" of that division. All your details in that long ass Thread you posted really means nothing.

Come next year - Joe will end up giving up all his belts - without ever losing a professional fight.

 

Joe didn't throw it in the bin...here is a video of Joe displaying "his" IBF belt EVEN AFTER he beat Kessler!

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Talking of belts and of Champs, just ask achillesthegreat who was the Champ at SMW and who had the most important belts before the 3rd of November...he will tell you it was Kessler!:good

 

What is your point? Joe is "the Champ" - he always was - but not because he had the WBO belt! Joe was "Champ" because he was the best - and still is - but he has not unified and he is not the IBF Champ.:smooch

 

WBO WBA and WBC belts
where is the IBF one?

 

Decebel, i expected better off you man :/

 

Don't be a fool, its almost impossible to defend against mandatories for multiple organisations. If you want, Calzaghe was the IBF Superchamp, and Bute is the regular champ.

I mean Mundine is as much a title holder as Bute is.

 

Why exactly was Stieglitz a fraudulent mandatory to Joe's IBF belt? Had he not beaten Berrio in the eliminator for the title shot?
And why did Bika deserve a title shot more than Stieglitz?

Please enlighten me, if you please!:good

 

Sure, Bute is the IBF title holder. But Calzaghe, with or without the belt, unified all 4 organizations, and the Ring.