If Maidana can land on Floyd then he'll get more with Pacquiao

Maidana landing on Floyd has absolutely no relevance to whether Manny will land anything significant at all. Two totally different fighters, two completely different styles....unless Pac fans are saying that Manny is going to fight like a wildman??

 

What do you define is like Mayweather? It seems that your argument is a tautology since the only thing you would accept is Mayweather himself.

 

can't for the life of me figure out how this fact is too much to grasp for most on the forum. i'm not really sure we could pick any other fighter that is less pac like than chino.

they are so different floyd and pac fight 100% more similar than pac and chino. i dont get people, of course because chino mauled floyd and landed like no one had ever landed on floyd prior that somehow means pac who is NOTHING like chino will do the same ?

chino is twice the size of pac WAY stronger, hits way harder and is way more unpredictable means they will have the exact same success/ yes i now understand the thinking, reasoning and incompetence of the mentally challenged

 

Tautology, Manny doesn't have the resume to beat Floyd because he hasn't fought Floyd.

 

These Fl0mos are nuts in here.

Manny hasn't fought Floyd, therefore he hasn't fought anybody like Floyd, therefore Floyd will win.

Floyd, apparently, has fought someone like Pacquiao and won, therefore Floyd will win.

Which of you thought Floyd would get beaten by Castillo?
Which of you thought Floyd would get dropped by Judah?
Which of you thought Floyd would get beaten by ODLH?
Which of you thought Floyd would get rocked by Mosley?
Which of you thought Floyd would get beaten by Maidana?

Answer: None of you. Every Floyd fight is going to be some kind of easy masterclass where the opponent won't land a single shot, let alone win a single round.

Problem with your logic is it hasn't been that way in ANY of his recent fights.

Simplest breakdown I can give:
Floyd has never fought anyone as good as Pacquiao.
Pacquiao has never fought anyone as good as Floyd.

Pacquiao:
...likes to throw a lot of punches.
...likes to throw combinations.
...hits extremely hard.
...is extremely fast.
...is a southpaw who uses dynamic footwork and awkward angles.
...loves to trade punches.
...has trouble with Marquez.

Marquez:
...is a counterpuncher/combination puncher.
...is willing to take a punch to land three punches.
...throws a lot of punches.
...is excellent against southpaws.
...hits really hard when he's on the Memo-Juice.

Floyd:
...is 100% unwilling to take a punch.
...has an extremely low punch output.
...RARELY throws 2-punch combinations, and you can count his 3-punch combinations on one hand each fight.
...has had problems with strong, awkward pressure fighters who throw a lot of volume (Castillo/Maidana).
...is extremely hittable with the jab (ODLH, Cotto, Maidana).
...has been bottom-feeding at welterweight for the last few years (Guerrero, Ortiz, Maidana, Maidana)
...has only fought shot Cotto and unproven Alvarez at 154.

The common opponents clearly show that Pacquiao is the better offensive fighter...

Cotto:
-Floyd outboxes Cotto over 12 rounds despite losing a few rounds to Cotto's combination punching on the ropes, and almost gets the stoppage at the end.
-Manny annihilates Cotto over 12 rounds, drops him twice, and gets the mercy-stoppage at the end.
ODLH
-Floyd gets outjabbed and outboxed as an old Oscar shows no respect for his punches. Eventually Oscar tires and Floyd wins enough rounds to take a controversial split decision.
-Manny batters an old Oscar over the course of 8 shutout rounds before Oscar quits.
Mosley
-Floyd gets rocked so hard in round 2 that he has to support himself by clinging to Mosley for dear life. Then Floyd dominates an otherwise uneventful fight.
-Manny drops Mosley so hard in round 3 that Mosley actually admits to being afraid to even try for the rest of the otherwise uneventful fight.
Hatton:
-Floyd struggles to adjust to Hatton's speed and pressure, gets help from Cortez, and cheats before KOing Hatton in 10. Fight is at 147, where Hatton has only one fight...a disputable win over Collazo.
-Manny obliterates Hatton in less than 2 rounds, drops him 3 times, and leaves him totally paralyzed on the canvas.
JMM:
-Floyd completely schools him over 12 rounds, dropping him once. Fight occurs at a catchweight of 144, requiring JMM to move up 2 weight classes. Floyd doesn't bother to make weight, and JMM appears noticeably fat.
-Manny fights 40 close rounds with JMM, dropping him 4 times. Manny struggles with JMM's counter combinations and willingness to punch with him. Rivalry results in a draw, two controversial decisions, and KTFO6. Fights took place at 126/130/144/147. JMM clearly on PED's for the KTFO6 fight, according to literally everybody.

tl;dr
Fl0mos dksab.

 

Manny and Floyd share a "weakness"...They both rely on speed and have problems with opponents who can take their shots and punch with them.

-Manny had this problem with JMM and Morales.
-Floyd had this problem with Castillo, Oscar, and Maidana.

With Manny, it's a problem because you interrupt his combinations and make him reset to try again. With Floyd, it's a problem because his potshots can appear ineffective compared to the combinations coming back at him, and he becomes tentative and defensive.

Now, between Manny and Floyd, which one do you think is more likely to punch with the other?

 

Again, who are these so called fast fights Floyd didn't fight?

Pacquiao hits hard, but not extremely, like you claim. His last KO was against Hatton.

Floyd is hittable with the jab? What does that have to do with this fight? Pacquiao isn't known for his jab.

 

Jab from orthodox is roughly equivalent to the straight left from southpaw. Similar angle.

Pacquiao has been putting people down right and left. He hits extremely hard and has good timing/angles on his punches.

Nobody said anything about fast fights Floyd didn't fight. What I do say is that Pacquiao is probably the fastest fighter he's fought.

 

Ok dude, going to have to stop you right there.

Attacking with the lead hand vs attacking with the rear hand is a significant difference. My god man!!! atsch Saying it's "roughly equivalent" isn't even remotely true. The way you throw the punch is different, and again... attacking with the rear hand gives you time to react that the lead hand does not. Leading with the rear hand needs to involve some type of deception (weaken the guard of your opponent) to pull it off.

You know how easy it is to stop that lead left if you're a bozo with it and Captain Obvious? I just take a step to my left and shoot the right hand. Goodnight. Nothing like a jab sorry, it's a "rear hand attack."

 

Spoken like a true non-boxer :good

 

What he said was correct.

 

This is what is referred to as a "non-response and deflection" in an informed debate.

 

Still putting up re****ed posts i see which i easily own you yesterday in a boxing arguement. You should just slap yourself for being re****ed.

 

More specific then:

How does Floyd get hit with jabs? Do guys just walk up to him and pop him in the face with it?

No.

They use their jab to counter his jab. (Maidana/Oscar)

Or they throw their jab as a left cross in combination (Cotto).

In both cases, it's not the fact that it's a lead hand punch that make it land. It doesn't land because it travels a shorter distance, it lands because of the angle and the timing.

A southpaw counters an orthodox jab with the left hand. A southpaw can also obviously throw the left hand after the right in a combination.

Again...a southpaw straight left is roughly equivalent to an orthodox jab in the purpose it can serve. It's just more versatile in that it can also serve as a power punch.

 

No. And you say "I" haven't boxed before? My god man... this is some rookie stuff. Again: "Lead Hand Attack" vs "Rear Hand Attack"

If you're going to try and use your rear hand as a southpaw "in the same purpose" as an orthodox jab, you are going to get your ass kicked. Frequently. Way too predictable and you can't just leave your rear hand out there like that. I'm telling you man: one step to the left, shoot the right hand. Goodnight son. This is honestly boxing 101 I'm telling you, not exactly "re-inventing the wheel" here.