If Makaev beats Peter, what will you think of him?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Will he deserve some credit?

    Personally, I think I have judged Maskaev a bit unfairly over the years. I've seen a number of his fights, and turned a blind eye to his competitiveness. He has some losses that are less than flattering, but at the same time he's beaten a lot of decent fighters, and really has no padding on his record. Hell, he beat a man in his pro debet who was 23-0. He defeated a declining, yet competitive Alex Stewart in his 11th pro fight. He also defeated Hasim Rahman twice who in turn had wins over Lennox Lewis and Corrie Sanders.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He's a modern Mike Weaver in the sense that he is better than his record suggests. He is old now though. If he beats Peter, that would be very impressive.

    However, given the fact that Peter just barely got past McCline (who is also a bit of an underachiever, by the way), and struggled in one of the two fights with Toney, i think Peter would look a lot worse, hence taking some significance away from the win. But i'd be an excellent win for sure, considering the odds and the age.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, the undefeated guy he debuted against... Maskaev taking that fight was insane.
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Perhaps it would ultimately say more about Peter.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    I think so. Maskeav deserves credit from coming back from oblivion, refining his style, and winning a title at an older age. Such a feat is very rare in any weight class. If Maskeav defeats Peter, it will be a very good win for him.
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Why is that?
     
  7. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maskaevs limitations have been proven and well documented. Sam Peter is being considered a s the force to be reckoned with. If he loses to a proven mediocrity (on world level that is) like Oleg Maskaev, it will ultimately prove that Peter was not as good as first thought.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Because Peter didn't debut before 1950, though, our friends preferrance is when the sport peaked in the 1920's and has been on a steady decline in skill ever since.

    ^ - I don't personally agree with that nonsense, but that's how life goes.

    But to answer your question Magoo, if he beats Peter, then it says a lot for him and if he beat any other decent HW's after that then even more so. He's a pretty good fighter, he just has a glass jaw and he's old now, Rahman has looked bad lately, so whether or not Rahman was really as good as we thought against Maskaev is another thing.

    I think Peter gets him early, but after the McCline fight I am less convinced. I don't really know where I'd rank Maskaev if he beat Peter, but I'd definitely rank him over Rahman and a few others for this era.
     
  9. Sonny's jab

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    Maskaev is a good fighter who has paid his dues. He come up the hard way, been used as "the opponent" since the beginning.

    He's 2-0 (2 KOs) against Hasim Rahman, which is something Lennox Lewis cant boast.

    He's had some losses, but so has Wlad Klitschko, an Olympic fighter who was laid a supposedly easier path at pro career start.

    I think Peter has a lot more to prove than Maskaev.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Frankly,

    I don't think that Peter is necessarily the "Force to be reckoned with" that you deem him as. He already lost to Wlad Klitschko who is less than invincible, and was taken the distance twice by a washed up former middleweight.

    Win or lose, Maskaev has fought decent opposition for most of his career, and at age 39 is still holding a belt. If Peter beats him, then good for him, but if he loses than it shouldn't be a negative mark against either man.

    Masvaev will never be an all time great, but I am already rating him as being on parr with some of the best alpha champs of all time. His credentials aren't much different than that of:

    Tim Witherspoon
    Tony Tubbs
    John Tate
    Greg Page
    Michael Dokes
    Mike Weaver
    Earnie Terell
    Jimmy Ellis
    Gerrie Coetzee
    Leon Spinks
    Boncrusher Smith
    Tony Tucker
    Trevor Berbick
    Pinklon Thomas
    John Ruiz
    Bruce Seldon
    Chris Byrd
    Frank Bruno
    Oliver McCall

    Keep in mind, I'm not claiming that he was as good or better than these guys. All I'm saying is that he wasn't much worse.
     
  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Agreed. We already know that Maskaev's chin is little above average and his power is pretty good.


    Peter seemed to have an iron chin after the Klitschko fight. But his chin looked less than stellar against McCline (who can bang for sure, but is not known to be knock out puncher). His power is also a bit of a questionmark. His KO of Williams was great for sure; one of the finest of this century. But i was disappointed that he couldn't put Toney or McCline away. While McCline is very durable, he is old and Peter landed quite some shots. Klitschko was a perfect matchup for Peter (two big punchers, one with a hard chin, one with a weak chin), but he still couldn't capitalise on Wlad's chin... in fact only one of those knockdowns came from a legal punch.


    Peter is a decent contender, but he should never come in over 250 again or it's over for him. Although i had him winning both fights, he was lucky (consider how judges can be wrong) to get the win in both Toney I and the McCline fight.
     
  12. Musashi

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    If Maskaev pulls off the upset, he'll be the clear number 2 (leapfrogging Chagaev, Peter, and Ibragimov).

    From a historical basis, I think it helps him a great deal. While he has some decent wins, only two have been against clear top ten contenders (both Rahman fights). This would add a third, and set up a unification fight, or even a nice note to retire on (which is my hope).

    For me, this fight could go either way, especially in light of Peter's recent performance against McCline.
     
  13. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I expect that Maskaev will win.
    Especially after seeing Peter against McLine.
    Peter grossly overated with limited skills.
    Maskaev is alot better than McLine.
    Has the skills and ring experience.
    Title shot -- on the up & up --- Dont bet Peter.
     
  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Makaev may be better than his record suggests, but as you note, he is very old in a boxing sense. And his chief weakness - his shaky chin - is not something that typically gets better with age.

    This fight is made to order for Peter. I expect him to produce a Jeremy Williams type knockout.
     
  15. SteveO

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    If Oleg wins, he will have surprised the hell outta me.