If Manny can beat Cotto at any weight...why does he ALWAYS demand a catchweight?

Something I don't get, and forgive me if this is a noobish question:

OK, so, in Pacquiao-Margarito, Pacquiao and Margarito weighed in at 144.6 and 150, respectively, right? And then Pacquiao went up to 148, while Margarito rehydrated to 165. What's the point of making weight if they're going to go up in weight again on fight night?

 

You are changing the subject, a classic sign of not having a case.

The thread starter specifically addressed Manny's catch weight clauses and I provided the only logical answer: because they give him an edge.

 

So do you consider Marquez angling for an edge when he demanded the fight at a catchweight?

 

Bringing up Cotto/Margo 2, or any fight outside of Cotto/Pac is a direct attempt to change the subject.

The only logical answer to the thread starter's question is: because weight clauses give Manny an advantage he obviously feels is necessary.

I'm a Cotto fan, but not a delusional fan boy. I thought Manny's speed made him a justifiable betting favorite, although I thought the 3.5 to 1 the line moved to was a stretch. The weight may or may not have played a huge role, but by insisting on it, Manny ensured that it will be a mental asterisk for as long as the fight is discussed.

Obviously Manny and Bob feel it necessary to get Cotto as light as possible. The fact that they don't feel that way about other opponents shows how highly they regard him.

 

Pac would fight Cotto at 147, which is not a cw, or 150, which is, up to Cotto. He will not fight him at 154 because the Margarito fight convinced him to stop his division climb at 7. 7 not good enough for you? How many divisions has your favorite guy gone up?

 

Of course he was, or it wouldn't be discussed.

Look, when I finalize a purchase offer or agreement, every important matter is discussed. From whether the chandelier in the dining room is included to when the owner will vacate the property.

To a degree, contracts are contracts, and parties will have their agent push to write the most favorable contract, not the most fair.

For the record, my policy on catchweights: BS for title bouts, fine for non-title bouts.

 

It's quite relevant if Cotto is comfortable at 150, which seems to be that case based on the Marg rematch. It would mean couldn't expect him weakened at 150.

Listen, it's a very simple principle they're going by: They're not fighting anyone at 154. That doesn't mean they're scared of Cotto nor Wolak nor Delvin Rodriguez.

 

He would fight him at 147 now. Now that he knows there is no way Cotto could make 147 and be effective.

At no point has Manny been willing to fight Cotto at Cotto's current weight limit.

Seeing as how it would be a non-title fight, I would be ok with 150. Manny obviously feels a 150 pound Cotto won't hit as hard as a 154 pound Cotto, so my point still stands.

 

OK there ya go. JMM doesn't get much flack for his many cw requests, wonder why?

So what's your problem with Pac Cotto 2, non title? Why no fuss over PWill Sergio 2 for the lineal belt at a cw? Ortiz won his only belt (only top 10 win even) at a cw, how many threads made about that?

How do you feel about champs requesting to defend their title at a cw? How about with a 6lb rehydration clause? How about all of the above, against far fringe one eyed non contenders?

 

Why should the guy who's the much bigger draw accommodate a guy who he's already destroyed thoroughly?

 

How am I changing the subject? the subject here is Miguel Cotto did he not request a catch weight to rematch Margarito at 150? sure they settled on 153 but the question is how can he ***** about Manny when he has done the exact same ****?

 

I was only dealing with the TS question. If you do a search, you will see that I made a thread asking for poster's feeling on catch weights.

Mine boil down to: BS for title fights, OK for non-title fights. I've even said Cotto should fight Margo at 154, if for no other reason than to not leave excuses.

If Pac feels as though a 150 pound Cotto won't hit as hard as a 154 pound Cotto, that is both fine with me and a great illustration of my point.

 

atsch In a thread specifically dealing with Pac/Cotto how is talking about a completely different fight changing the subject? Really? Where in the TS remarks is Margacheato even mentioned?

For the record, Cotto hasn't bitched. He simply said he will not sacrifice his body to meet Manny's demands again.

 

If Manny wanted full credit for beating the welterweight champ, he should have beaten him at the full welterweight limit.

Manny obviously felt he needed a little advantage in that fight, though, so he didn't.

 

Quitting time.

It was fun, but I gots to go home.