If Marciano and Walcott fought 10 times ?

the close fight was the 1st but ended with a definitive right hand from Rocky, Marciano was a fighter that improved the 2nd time around and he was a guy that did not want to lose so I could not see any version of Walcott doing any better, the 2nd fight ended in a 1st rd KO for Rocky.....since Walcott was a late bloomer I can not see a younger version giving Marciano a better fight than in fight 1, if the fight had been for 12 instead of 15 Walcotts chances may improve but Marciano more than likely would have picked up the pace earlier....I like Walcotts chances over many ATG heavy's to score an upset but Marciano with his relentless power and stamina would not be one

 

Walcott couldn't do any better then he did that night against Marciano in Sept.1952...he floored The Rock...cut him...Rocky was blinded by a liniment that had gotten into his eyes...for 4 rounds he had trouble seeing...Jersey Joe was punching the **** out of him...
Marciano was behind on all score cards...and yet...he landed the best right hand ever thrown...and he became the new champion...if he couldn't have beaten Rocky on that night...then he never could...49-0...43 KO's...

 

I see exactly the opposite.

There is no argument who was the more skilled boxer.
The problem with Marciano's opponents is the punishment they had to ship.
The gutsier, and braver they were, the more mileage is added to their clocks.

No one did better against Marciano second time around, most of them left a part of themselves in the ring that they could never get back , in short he ruined people.

Charles, Walcott, Lastarza, were never the same after their initial meeting with Marciano.
Lastarza was cannily managed, and manoeuvered into a title shot, which given the closeness of their first fight he deserved, but his second effort was not on a par with his first.
****ell, Mathews, and Layne , were emphatically diminished fighters after one go around.
Moore may have been the one exception , but does anyone believe he would have improved on his first performance second time around?

Ted Lowry fought to survive and he did ,anyone trying to win is in for a very rough ride.

 

Walcott had two major issues.

One his chin was questionable.

Secondly he had the tendency to stand flatfooted with hands down almost daring his opponent to hit him. He would use his upper body to slip punches and then counter. Louis looked for this in their second bout and scored the ko after Walcott was hurt with a Louis right as he.....stood in front of Louis with hands down...flatfooted. Seconds later Walcott was on the canvas. Tunney wrote of this defensive error in the 50's.

If they fought 10 times you have to think Joe would win one or two of those bouts. He certainly had the skills to do so. Question would be can he avoid Rockys power over 15 rounds?

 

I can't see Walcott beating Marciano.

 

People think like Walcott was way ahead on points and Marciano knocked him out in the last minute.
But actually there was over 8 minutes left, and that would always be a LONG TIME for Walcott. If Marciano had won those last 3 rounds, the fight would have been a draw and people would probably say Marciano was robbed anyway. But he didn't need those 8 minutes at all.

I can't see Marciano being any less good against Walcott in subsequent fights, he got better, and the rematch quite clearly seems to back up that.

 

Right, as most who take a title he improved frp, the experience.
I am surprised it took this long for someone to mention it.
Walcott was about as good as ever....For 12 rounds.
Yes he would not tire as much when younger.
But Rocky's movement & overall ability improved.

And Walcott was spooked or shaken by the 1st loss.

Walcott would be lucky to win 2 of 10.

 

Walcott might win 2.

But he will be crippled by the 4th fight. Marciano ended careers.

 

I agree! But the 2nd fight he weren't there mentally. I'd say RM wins 8 outta 10

 

Marciano wins one great fight.

Than there would be 5 senseless first round blow outs with Walcott likely dying in the 6th fight.

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:huh

 

If we are talking the same fighters who fought their first bout fighting 10 times my choice is Marciano 10 out of ten. Once Rockys blurred vision cleared up it was just a matter of time in fight one. Walcott found Rocky to not be the wide open target he thought he would find all during this fight.

 

I never believed Walcott dumped fight two. You can see his legs stiffen after that right uppercut from Rocky so he was definitely hurt. It would not be the only time a downed fighter misses the count and gets up too late. Look at Quarry Chuvalo for a similar scenario.

 

Well he did actually fight him twice and knocked him out both times, doesn't look promising for Walcott that's for sure...

 

Depends. If the outcome of the first of ten fights is the outcome we saw in their first fight in real life, then Rocky wins ten of ten, easily. This isn't about physical matchups, it's psychological. Walcott showed in the second fight he no longer had any taste for battle. I don't think of it as any judgment call on his courage on the whole, mind you, but I still believe Joe simply "opted out" of the second fight. No one will ever convince me that KO was on the level. I'm not saying it was an orchestrated thing or any of that, but........

 

I see Walcott taking two out of ten.

I think Marciano was a bit flat the night he challenged Walcott, and also Walcott profoted by a couple rounds where Marciano's vision was obscured. I think, most nights, Marciano is going to put down more consistent pressure.

Also, I think they had another fight ...... Are we taking the full data set into consideration.

Any ways, I see Marciano bombing or mill-stoning out 8/10.