If Marciano Was Black???

Cute in there rolling blocking slipping and then coming back with counters. Frazier mainly used head movement while Rocky used a more varied defense.

 

Certainly had really bad balance... due in part to over committing to shots when other things weren't working.

 

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Even Welsh people don't wax lyrical about Tommy Farr, yet you have him above Simon, Schmelling, Baer, Lewis, and Braddock.

You're a fool.

 

McVey has summed it up better than I. It is NOT what he achieved under the circumstances that are the issue on this thread. It is the reverence he has attained by a certain section of romantic fantasists like Burt Beinstock, Perry, and Bummy Davies in particular, and a couple of others that are too insignificant to consider relevant.

The sort of dreamers that hark back to the days of cars with all leather upholstery, and mahogany dashboards for £500.

My whole point which can not be denied is if ANY other world Heavyweight champion, particularly from Ali onward's had had title DEFENCES against the three men considered to be the best he fought with a combined 47 defeats between them AT THE TIME, he would get unmerciful stick for it. And rightly so.

With Marciano that is far from being the case. Rather he is worshipped for it. IMHO this can only be race based. If white America was desperate for a white world champion in the 50's, then that is their problem. I just don't believe in bullsh it.

And if silly old farts like Beinstock or Davies get upset, and imply I'm an anti white racist by that, then just like them, it is of no consequence to me at all.

Nice to talk to you again. It makes a change from the religious freak types, who blindly chant "Rocky is the greatest ", as opposed " to god is great. " The problem being that both groups fail to see how incredibly boring they are with their beliefs.

:good

 

then Larry Holmes would be considered a much classier guy

 

McVey is severely underating Mariano's defense here..I suggest he put in the tape of him vs Archie Moore...a really good defensive effort against an all time great sharpshooter fresh off a 45-1 winning streak

 

Kerry won't watch anything that might disprove her own opinion. In the opening stanza against Moore R.M. launches a left hook that misses nearly causing him to trip over his own feet.

Duck low, come up throwing haymakers, rinse and repeat. If that is cute boxing, I'd hate to try and put a label on Duran.

 

Larry Holmes is a racist fraud:deal

 

Frazier was quicker but he was a one armed fighter. Problem with his defense is he did the same thing over and over. Watch him fight Ali he made Ali miss a huge % of his punches BUT Joe always got caught with Ali's finishing hook. Joe would slip the jab, duck the right and then walk into Ali's hook as he lifted his head. Marciano was less predictable as he used not only a low crouch and bobbing and weaving style but he was always blocking, parrying, stepping back and then stepping in with counters. In other words changing up his offense as well as his defense to make himself less predictable and more difficult to time. I was always very confident that Frazier loses to Rocky. Rocky was the more complete fighter.

 

When Jim Jeffries came out of retirement after 5 years off at the age of 36 after losing 80lbs and no tune up fights Johnson stopped him and Black community put him high on a pedestal and it is still Johnson best win.

Charles was active and a year older than Marciano. Walcott was a fit and talented 38 year old and experienced. Moore was on a 50 fight win streak marred by a DQ and SD that he reversed by KO and they all beat the younger bigger men to get their ranking it was not given to them.

Marciano was the one guy who gave all the best men a title fight regardless of color.

As far as the 6 fight Spinks he lost his luster after Ali beat him in a rematch and Gerrie Coetzee KO him in 1 rd so his pedestal was short lived. Ali was shot against Berbick and Trevor looked ordinary and then Tyson showed us his measure.

Its funny because many of the same guys picking B-Hop to destroy Kovalev thought he was formidable at the age of 49 will constantly knock Walcott or Moore

I have to laugh because guys like Marciano could never be good enough to some

Fact is recently I seen people criticize 39 year old Vlad Klitschko for his defensive style even though he dominated a young fighter 29, he was criticized but when 38 yr old Floyd M. fought a totally defensive fight against a 36 year old PAC he was considered a genius

double standard ?

another thing about Marciano or any great fighter is how they win, When Marciano KO'd Walcott with one punch in the 13th or KO'd Joe Louis and one punch KO'd Rex Layne etc. He did so Impressively and with a BANG and made a statement, the mark of a great fighter

When a young green Tyson flat KO'd Larry Holmes it was brutal and clear and despite that fact that these men were not spring chickens, it they WAY THEY WERE DOMINATED AND KO"D that made us take notice

 

holy smokes, that was a pretty good post by bummy :thumbsup