If Marciano Was Such A Dynamite Puncher?

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  1. mcvey

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    Bums as you call them ,[a word I don't use,] can have excellent chins but not the skills to go further in their sport. For example Scrap Iron Johnson was a journeyman but pretty durable,as was Chuck Wepner,Id say both hand better chins than Walcott who was ko'd a number of times, and not allways by heavy-duty punchers . Factor in that Walcott was also 37 & 38 when he fought Marciano, age does not help punch resistance.Rahman hit hard enough to ko 253lbs Lewis with one shot, he hit hard enough to drop Holyfield, he had significant ko power. Here he is against Corrie Sanders ,a terrific puncher.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQSGPbB1bk
     
  2. janitor

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    It is an impresive punch, but it is just one punch.

    What are his second and third best knockout wins?
     
  3. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    This is the only paragraph that is boxing related. The rest was a bunch of shameless bitching and crying I won't bother to read twice.

    "10 years past date?" So apparently you feel Archie Moore's prime ended in 1945 with a win over a fading Marshall and losses to Bivins and Holman. That is absolutely rubbish.

    It's Moore's first KO loss in 7 years and 40+ fights against top rated LHWs and HWs. That is unique.
     
  4. Bummy Davis

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    Rahman could not render him unconscious, Sanders was still standing but Nate Tubbs did it better (I KNOW YOUR SAYING WHO THE HECK IS NATE TUBBS)....see below and watch the 5:23 mark of the 2nd round

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  6. McGrain

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    Do you think he punched harder than Langford?

    I'm generally more impressed by the testimony of Langford victims than Marciano victims, and Langford starched the bigger world class men...but...
     
  7. Seamus

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    I'll take Eddie Mustafa Muhammad's word on Rahman's power... or Paul Fitzsimons... or Bouie Fischer... or Buddy McGirts...
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    Rahman was a physically powerful man but a dynamite puncher?

    The Lewis knockout was his only one punch KO. And according to McVey's standards since Lewis was stopped quicker 7 years previously by one punch, it isn't all that unique.

    But his next best knockout wins was a stoppage against a still standing and gassed Sanders and a corner retirement against Meehan.

    He knocked down but failed to stop a 42 year old Trevor Berbick, Sykes, and Ferguson.

    He failed to knock down or stop: Monte Barrett, Sullivan, Ruiz, Cole, and Marion Wilson.

    Some durable fighters who went the distance with Rahman: Toney, Puritty, and Tua. He unoffically dropped a tired and lunging Tua at the bell.

    He has a career Win KO% of 78 and 66% total. Which is kind of average by modern standards where fighters fight less frequently against ranked and world class fighters than their historical peers.

    He's a powerful man physically but not much of a knockout puncher. One night, he threw a perfect right hand against an open target but otherwise was an average puncher. The same can be said for Lewis' other conqueror.
     
  9. janitor

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    Langford was certainly the better finisher, and quite plausibly the harder hitter as well.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    Theoretically? In your dreams?

    Because in reality, he never put Holyfield down. He got bullied on the inside, got beat up and hurt by combinations, appeared to lose every round, and dropped a technical decision after a headbutt deformed his face. He was dominated and humilated before he was turned into a freak show. What knockdown are you talking about? He didn't put a dent in Evander.


    But it was difficult to figure out how one judge, Melvina Lathan, who scored it 67-66 for Rahman, could have found a round Rahman deserved to win. That is how convincing Holyfield's performance was from start to finish.

    Early in the fight, Holyfield showed just as much quickness as Rahman, landing several punches to the left side of Rahman's head. Then in the second round, Holyfield landed a solid left hook.
    In the third, two right-hand punches forced Rahman into the corner, followed a short time later by a left-right combination.
    At this stage, Holyfield was the aggressor and Rahman looked surprised at the way the fight was unfolding.
    In the sixth round, Holyfield, again using combinations and again pushing Rahman into the ropes, went to the body twice before stunning Rahman with a left uppercut.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/02/sports/boxing-after-fight-is-stopped-the-winner-is-holyfield.html
     
  11. Wass1985

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    The majority of things are in his dreams. :rofl
     
  12. The Mongoose

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  13. The Mongoose

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    Have no fear, McVey will produce a quote from Rahman's unpublished autobiography where he details how he knocked down Evander but the cameras shut off and everyone in the arena blinked.
     
  14. Wass1985

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    :rofl
     
  15. MartinezKOFloyd

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    you didn't say it directly but this whole thread is saying marciano is not a dynamite puncher because he could not knock out light heavies or old men? ok youve posted rahman was a puncher because he did knock out big guys.opposite of marciano true?.but not 5'10 james toney? . and your 2nd question roy jones and johnson hurt toney how come hasim rahman or peters could not. ok so only conclusion according to you must rjj and reggie johnson hit harder single shots over rahman and peters.obviously.