If Marciano Was Such A Dynamite Puncher?

This is the original post which brought up the whole silly unconscious debate.

Note that it says nothing at all about title challengers.

Restricting the issue to title challengers effectively rules out close to 88% of Marciano's career,

and is a tacit admission that the above statement is correct.

 

"I didn't say he did not beat the count,"

This doesn't even make sense.

"I said it was debatable"

And I said it isn't as the slow-motion film shows Walcott is clearly still sitting on the floor with his glove on the canvas at ten. I'll go by the filmed evidence.

"How many light-heavyweight champions have won the heavyweight title?"

Two recognized world champions--Fitzsimmons and Spinks.

One recognized American champion--Tunney.

One recognized European champion--Schmeling

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There were also Jimmy Braddock who lost in a challenge for the light-heavyweight championship but later won the heavyweight title.

Ezzard Charles was picked by The Ring (and at times by others) as the top light-heavyweight of the 20th century, but never got a shot at the title.
He also won the heavyweight title.

Of course, most of these men moved up in weight as Moore did.

"You are not doing too well are you?"

Well enough that I'm not so insecure that I have to step out of the role of advocate and assume that of the judge to pat myself on the back.

 

What about Willis Applegate?

He was stopped 3 times by TKO. There is no record of him being knocked down and the only description boxrec has of any of his TKO losses is a cut stoppage.

Is it possible he's only been stopped for eye cuts? Something Maricano wasn't exactly the best at inflicting?

Any information on the Oma and Gene stoppages?

 

In other words you know nothing about Red like the rest of us. Not enough information to draw any sort of conclusion regarding Marciano fight.

 

Originally Posted by The Mongoose View Post
What about Willis Applegate?

He was stopped 3 times by TKO. There is no record of him being knocked down and the only description boxrec has of any of his TKO losses is a cut stoppage.

Is it possible he's only been stopped for eye cuts? Something Maricano wasn't exactly the best at inflicting?

Any information on the Oma and Gene stoppages?

He wasn't talking to me you ******. I have put you in your place more times than I care to count.

 

You remain a sad cancerous old man, who gets rear end handed to him every month here. I'd offer you an education but your too bigoted to learn.

I suggest you pay attention to the lyrics in the Gambler song by Kenny Rogers . It will make your life a bit easier.

“ Know when to fold ‘em. Know when to walk away. Know when to run. “

 

That isn't much to go on.

There is no recrord of anyone dropping Applegate and all but one of his stoppage losses lack any sort of specifics.

There is also no footage of the Marciano fight. If the descriptions we have are accurate, he would appear to be the only man to freely exchange with the Rock and see the final bell.