If Marciano Was Such A Dynamite Puncher?

HHMMMMMmmmm what do these guys have in common besides being Caucasian

 

The longer this thread runs, the more McVey's true colors are exposed. If he had any brains he would stop replying.

But he's a cry baby in his 60's who has to type in the last word.

 

He's also like his love child Asser, both of them are keyboard warriors who haven't got the minerals to sort it face to face.

 

He's also like his love child Asser, both of them are keyboard warriors who haven't got the minerals to sort it face to face.

I don't want to say to much because they run to the mods to get me banned, "daddy tell him he's picking on me." :rofl:rofl

 

In McVeys defence, hes not a big fan of Joe Frazier either :good

 

You're one of Mcvey's disciples...

 

Not to get back to the subject of the thread or anything, but

I notice that getting knocked down is being often equated during this thread with having a poor chin, but getting knocked down isn't the same as getting knocked out and there are plenty of fighters who were frequently knocked down who were rarely knocked out.

The most prominent is probably Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray was knocked down at least by--

Mitsos Gilpes
Jake LaMotta (saved by bell at nine)
Jake LaMotta (in another fight)
Artie Levine
Tommy Bell
Rocky Graziano
Rocky Castellani
Gene Fullmer
Wilf Greaves
Wilf Greaves (in another fight)
Joey Giardello
Joey Archer

these I know of.

None stopped him. Only Joey Maxim in the heat ever stopped him.

Joey Maxim was another who was down fairly often (twice in single fights against Lloyd Marshall, Archie Moore, and Bobo Olson) who was only stopped once in one round by Curtis Sheppard.

 

What boxers and sports writers said of Marciano's punching power:

His Opponents:
Joe Louis, knocked out by Rocky in the 8th round, said of Marciano, "It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."
He also said, "The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."

Jersey Joe Walcott, who lost his title to Marciano in a 13th round KO and a rematch in a 1st round KO, was asked who hit harder, Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano. "Joe could take you out with combinations...Marciano was a one-punch artist. He threw every punch like you throw a baseball, as hard as he could. I have to say, with all respect to Joe, Marciano hit harder."

Ezzard Charles "Rocky numbs you all over. Wherever he hits you, he hurts you; on the arms, the shoulders, the neck and the head."

Archie Moore (KO'd in 9th), when asked by reporters which of Marciano's punches hurt him, said, "Man they all hurt."
He also said, "After a fight with Marciano, it felt like you had been beat all over the upper body with a blackjack or hit with rocks."
"He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves."



Harry "Kid" Matthews "He was a great puncher, one of the best of all-time. He just threw one punch after another, and all of them were hard."

"Dan, I can still feel his punches. He kept punching me in the upper arms until I could no longer hold them up to defend or throw punches". Phil Muscato, 5th round KO victim of Rocky, to his nephew Dan, many years after his fight with Marciano.(Thanks to Dan Muscato).

Bernie Reynolds (1952 opponent) "He had amazing strength. Any time Marciano hit you, he could hurt you. He didn't do much flicking; every punch was a knockout punch."

Other Fighters and Boxing Experts:
Floyd Patterson, who knocked out Moore for Rocky's vacated title said, "In the ring he looked sloppy and awkward sometimes, but that was deceptive because he was terribly strong, could punch and take a punch...Jersey Joe Walcott had made him miss for twelve rounds and then Rocky took his title away in the thirteenth. Ezzard Charles seemed to be making him look bad, but Rocky busted up his face something horrible...I respected Marciano"

Jack Dempsey, interviewed in the 1953 fall edition of Fight magazine said, "What everyone forgets is that Marciano can punch harder with a right hand than any modern-day heavyweight. In his first fight with Walcott, Rocky needed only one blow to win the title. The power in his right scrambled Jersey Joe's brains at Chicago."
"I've scored my share of knockouts along the way, but more often than not my opponents got up after being knocked down and had to be knocked down repeatedly. The same is true of Joe Louis. But Marciano needs only one solid smash and it's all over.
That's why I say Rocky Marciano is the hardest-hitting heavyweight champion I have seen."

Carmine Basilio "Today he’d look like a midget against some of those heavyweights around, but he’d clobber them all. A great fighter, very tough."

 

I also have a different take on Harry Matthews than the one expressed on this thread--

Matthews was born on 12-9-1922

He turned pro in 1937 and his first loss to was a decision to Jackie Burke (a fighter with a 97-27-21 record at the time) on 1-1-1940. Matthews was just past his 17th birthday.

In 1942, at 19, he defeated and then drew with the former middleweight champion Al Hostak. I think this is quite impressive considering Matthews was still a teenager and as a teenager was in The Ring's top ten at middleweight.

in 1943 he fought and lost to Eddie Booker and Jack Chase, two of the tough black dynamite crew. The fact that he was in the ring with such tough and highly rated fighters before his 21st birthday speaks much about him. Booker at this time was scoring victories over Archie Moore, Lloyd Marshall, and Holman Williams. Chase was just as good. I see nothing to really criticize Matthews for here. I question how many fighters at that age could have done better against such opponents.

After three years in the service, Matthews returned to boxing and ran off an unbeaten string of 52 fights with an winning streak of 35 fights (with 28 knockouts) leading into the Marciano fight. Certainly, as with many fighters, there were set-ups, but more than ten of his opponents had or would appear in The Ring's yearly top ten. He made top contender Bob Murphy look inept in his New York debut, but it was Murphy who got the shot at the light heavy title.

Certainly at this point he was a respected fighter, picked by The Ring to replace Robinson as the best all-around active fighter.

At this juncture Jack Hurley made a critical decision and a critical mistake. With the IBC finally offering Matthews a light heavyweight shot to deflect him from the heavyweight division, Hurley opted to go for the big prize, apparently judging he could handle Marciano and the aging Walcott. Matthews did prove he was good enough at heavyweight to handle Layne.

Hurley underestimated Marciano and Matthews went out in two. Not surprisingly, Hurley didn't second-guess his own decision, but dumped on Matthews.

After that it was downhill, with the three losses to Don C.

Still, overall, this is a most impressive career. Matthews was rated in three different divisions at one time or another. He rose to the #1 contender spot at lightheavyweight and was in fact never beaten at lightheavy.

His only losses after the one at 17 were to top men--Booker, Chase, Marciano, and Don C, all rated fighters at the time he fought them.

Probably his worst performances were against Don C, but if the worst that can be pinned on you is that you lost to a man who was European and British Empire champion, you did pretty well.

Matthews might have been a lightheavyweight-pocket heavyweight type, but that doesn't make him very unique with Fitz, Burns, Ketchel, Carpentier, Gibbons and others who fought for the heavyweight title in the same class. He was 179, only eight pounds less than Marciano. Gibbons, in contrast, was 175 against Dempsey, and thirteen pounds lighter.

I see Matthews as an underrated fighter.

 

one more thought,when charley goldman,a very wise trainer,looked at marciano and despite what he saw, a 5'9" (at the time overweight) clumsy,slow,stubby armed,not so young, aspiring heavyweight, and still despite these facts, choose to train him and believed he could possibly be a contender(or champ),speaks volumes of rocky's power.

 

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Rocky left Roland LaStarza in the hospital with a broken arm, several blood clots and requiring surgery.

Veteran contender Lee Savold, someone who had fought Joe Louis amongst other big name heavyweights of the time. Savold's management threw in the towel before round six ended, Savold having been bashed so badly he was unable to throw punches back.
Top contender Rex Layne. Layne was a favourite over Marciano, a heavy punching slugger who reminded people of the great Jack Dempsey, who had great success in the ring, including a victory over Jersey Joe Walcott. His record going into the Marciano fight was 34-1-2 with 24 knockouts. Marciano knocked him out in six rounds, breaking his jaw and shearing his teeth off at the gums! Marciano was also terribly strong, especially for his size. Archie Moore claimed he "was far and away the strongest man I've encountered."