If Margarito beats pac, let the excuses begin

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Martini643, Oct 17, 2010.


  1. Danny

    Danny Guest

    No Excuses!

    However, I will be pissed if Margarito wins, as us fans will be waving goodbye to the biggest fight in history in Pacquiao-Mayweather!

    If Pacman loses, Floyd will not fight him, he will face Margarito, which is not all bad because he would skool Margarito!
     
  2. sdsfinest22

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    LOL...No they haven't..some give Tony a good chance...but with nothing but hope...They can't even attempt to explain how Tony will deal with Manny's speed...

    Cmon now...ANY REAL BOXING FAN WANTS TO SEE PAC WIN SO THEY COULD SET UP A PAC MAYWEATHER...

    LIKE IT OR NOT FLOYD WONT TURN THE PAYDAY DOWN N THEY GONNA FIGHT SO LONG AS PAC BEATS TONY AND HE SHOULD:good
     
  3. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    He already did, and you have no ****in clue if they will fight. For all you know, Floyd doesn't EVER want to fight PAc. ****, he's made OBSTACLES ever since the first negotiations started, which you are just too blind to see.

    You keep trying to say, "OH, they will fight later..." but that's more you stuck in denial that your fave ran away from Pac twice now.
     
  4. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    The Mayweather fight is Not going to happen, if there was any chance that it would, we wouldnt be going into this fight on the 13th of November.
    And who needs to explain how Tony will deal with Mannys speed? Cotto has pretty darn good speed and supurb timing to go along with it, and Margarito found a way to win there.
    Speed is not always the deciding factor, you take a look at Forrest vs Mosley fight 1 whats that tell you? then move foward to both Forrest fights with Mayorga in which Mayorga was wide, slow and flat footed with Zero defense and out boxed Forrest in the 2nd fight and stopped vernon in the first of which Vernon clearly had the better boxing skills better defense and better footwork.
     
  5. sdsfinest22

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    nah u can argue once..but the first march date...nah..

    Team Pac did everything they could to not fight Floyd on the March 13th date..

    cmon now man...i can admit im wrong about the second negotiations in that floyd turned it down being stupid..

    BUT WHEN YOUR OWN TRAINER SAYS U NOT GONNA BE READY CUZ THEY WOULD NEED MORE TIME TO PREPARE..

    THAN USING YURI AS AN EXCUSE WHEN "FLOYD DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT"

    I COULD GO ON LANCE...BUT I'VE DONE IT 34432413 TIMES ALREADY..

    YEA MAN MORE EVIDENCE POINTS TO PAC NOT WANTING THE MARCH DATE REALLY....:deal
     
  6. sdsfinest22

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    Bazooka pac is on another level with speed over Tony...I saw the Mayorga fight with forrest..both of em actually...Tony doesn't have that kind of power nor awkwardness that Mayorga brings..ESPECIALLY FROM A TECHNICAL VIEW..I see what your saying...but I just don't see Tony being able to "keep up"
     
  7. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Margo big, Pacman small.
     
  8. Bazooka

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    Speed does not always win fights, the size of Margarito is going to be a challenge in it self, Manny is going to have to reach to catch Tony... which means he will create an opening for Tony as well especially if he does not land the intended shot.
    Pacquiao has had trouble in fights when pressure has been applied if you allow Manny to Box its suicide, Margarito will not allow Manny to box, and the way you beat Margarito is by matching fire with fire, which is what Mosley was able to do, he was able to drive Margarito back turn him and catch him as he reset, now Manny will attempt to do the same but he can not push Tony back that will sap his energy and cost him, honestly he has to sit in the pocket and get his shots off turn Margarito and start over, similar to the Clottey style of fighting.

    People are pointing out that Oscar is the same size as Margarito but we all know the truth there, Oscar was weight drained and if you deny that, then basicly your saying or admitting that Manny did a much better job with DLH than did Mayweather and I know you yourself dont want to admit that, why not? cus its not the ****in truth...

    I agree with you however on the akwardness of Mayorga, But at the same time to sit back and argue that Tony has no chance that much I dont get. Many of you write him off for two reasons, 1) Shane Mosley (Who is a totally different style of fighter and who is also bigger than Manny and probably alot stronger than Manny) and #2) because of the plaster many still beleive to this day that Margaritos entire career is based off of cheated...

    And if Roach is thinking the way you guys are, which I hope he is, then what happens if Roach is suddenly wrong? and I also think thats another reason why Roach decided to re negotiate their contracted weight agreement....

    The bottom line here is, if Margarito isnt finished, and the weight does not effect him how does this really play out? and that is what keeps clicking in my mind... Nobody can sit back and argue that Manny hits harder than a Paul Williams, or a Shane Mosley and when Mosley was able to do it, How many times did he have to load up with Big Big bombs to get Margarito out of there? How many rounds did it take him to stop Margarito?

    Manny could have had a baseball bat with Oscar yet he never dropped him and he hit Oscar at will... again we know the truth there, Mannys biggest wins over Morales, Cotto and DLH, were all due to Roach negotiating a contracted weight agreement, Morales was having trouble making weight which is why they took that fight, and when they lost the first time round, Roach admitted he thought Morales was all done and that they took him a little lightly....

    and if you really want to add to it, Ricky Hatton had to come back down from 147 to 140 to face Pacquiao and considering his lifestyle outside of the sport, that may have hurt him as well.....

    So what happens if the Plaster Paris was indeed a one time fluke? What happens if Margarito is not finished? and what Happens should this contracted weight agreement not work out as planned...?

    Bottom line here is Manny is in for a long, Very long nights work......
     
  9. Ringnut

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    :deal

    it's the only reasonable way to explain it, Pac has been a hype job all along.
     
  10. Bazooka

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    Dont get me wrong Pac is legit, but his opponents are very well selected.
     
  11. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice post with good points. In all honesty all of us are guessing how the fight will turn out. It's a bunch of ifs and buts in the situation. I'm putting my money on a Pacman beating though. I doubt he did that damage to Cotto with just his fists and doubt he can beat Pacman without the plaster.
     
  12. Lance_Uppercut

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    The ONLY thing Team Pac did was refuse test from someone waccusing him of being on PED's. You are just too dense to see that was nothing but a ploy from Floyd to make sure the fight never happend. A feat he repeated by going on vacation to beat a woman.

    The ONLY evidence on Pac not wanting the March date was the insitance of special testing from Floyd based on unfounded accusations. Anyone with a bit of pride would have told Floyd to **** off as well.
     
  13. zicas

    zicas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquiao broke his back during training (Spinal)
     
  14. jmmpbf

    jmmpbf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    pac didnt want to fight in march because if he lost, draw or barely won, he WONT have as much votes for the election coming up in may.

    the thing for me is, what if hatton, dlh or anyone he beat up asked him to do random testing leading up to the fight, im about sure that he will gladly accept.

    i dont think theyre scared of each other, they just want the most advantage to guarantee a win.
     
  15. Bazooka

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    Pacquiao did a number on Cotto probably worse than Margarito so I am guessing Manny loads up his gloves as well based on your logic.