If Mayweather and Canelo fought a trilogy at 154 . . .

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Moretti had him winning 4 rounds. Moretti is a pretty respected judge, he even had GGG winning the first fight with Canelo. It wasn't all that one sided, I mean by the later rounds you could tell Mayweather was winning but Canelo had his moments throughout. Canelo contested a lot of those early rounds and made those first 6 rounds very difficult to score.

    This needs to be addressed and I think this plays into the idea that it was such a schooling. The fact that Canelo came out with a gameplan in an attempt to outbox Mayweather confused Mayweather. I don't think he was expecting that, which is why he was flinching so much from Canelo feints early on. Canelo came out with a gameplan that Mayweather was not used to. And it showed.

    I disagree that how Canelo fought that fight was the least effective. If you can tell by now, Canelo likes to beat people at their own game and do things that fans think you can't do. (like staying on the ropes in GGG 1, that was something that was said to be a no-no vs GGG something that would certainly get him knocekd out according to many fans, Canelo disproved that theory by staying the ropes in rounds 4 and 5) In attempting to outbox Mayweather, he caused Floyd to engage in a chess match, that turned into a toe to toe battle at times, but Canelo wasn't going to be one of those fighters that Floyd would make look silly by missing wildly or getting frustrated. Now you might say he did make Canelo look silly, but Floyd only really had those big moments after making adjustments, Canelo just didn't have the high level experience to make adjustments to the adjustments and Floyd sort of psyched Canelo out like in that 7th round, and started to pull away at times but aside from that it was pretty much a back and forth battle throughout.

    But I mean you just watch it from the early rounds through the 6th round, you had Floyd engaged in a more interesting fight that we've probably ever seen. If you study those early rounds, and look at the 2nd half of the 10th round, you see examples of Canelo getting the better of Floyd in spurts. (look at the 2nd half of the 4th round, Canelo was putting on an absolute clinic on Floyd right there, landing, dodging punches, landing, blocking punches, landing etc)
     
  2. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're a funny guy. I've been posting on this forum for years and don't really remember too many screen names, but I do remember yours. You're the guy that opened incessant threads about Canelo-Floyd after the match was over and correct me if I'm wrong, but you stated you thought Canelo actually won or it was a draw (this is me going off the top of my head from 5 years ago so excuse me in advance if I'm mistaken.)

    I don't know what to tell you man. I've been watching boxing for over 30 years and I like to think I know how to score a fight.

    It was evident from round one when Canelo didn't pressure Floyd and was attempting to force FLoyd to become the agressor so he could counter him that Alvarez' gameplan was to try and outbox Mayweather. Everyone was speaking about how stupid his gameplan was, something quite apparent from the opening bell.

    I don't see what's to dispute. Floyd's ring generalship that night was arguably his best. Maybe you have the fighters confused because I clearly remember by the mid rounds Alvarez looking absolutely befuddled that he couldn't tag Mayweather flush and he couldn't time any of his offensive maneuvers. By the 7th round, Floyd was actually tagging him when he was on the ropes; Alvarez tried to play possum but Floyd wasn't having any of it.

    This is the same Alvarez who I believe the 11th or 12th round shot a haymaker that missed Mayweather by about 15 feet which had FLoyd essentially making fun of him. In the championship rounds.

    You are one of probably about a handful of people in the world that thought it was a competitive fight. I'd imagine at least 98% of people saw that as a one sided schooling. Don't let your bias for Canelo cloud you judgement on how to score a fight from an objective standpoint. Do you forget the outcry of Ross' scorecard? She hasn't judged a fight since.

    From an offense, defense and ring generalship standpoint, Alvarez received a lesson. He didn't get "beat up" obviously, but it was essentially a glorified sparring session Mayweather was having with the other top JMW in the world.

    As I said before I'm a big fan of Alvarez and respect the hell out of his resume post-Mayweather. But even he can admit his defeat in that match.
     
  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Canelo just doesn't have the timing and handspeed to beat Floyd.

    Also, as much as I like GGG Floyd would have GGG hitting air all night.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather got taught a lesson too, he experienced something he never had experienced before, a highly skilled boxer who can box with him. And buddy you seem to be conflating two things. I have no problem admitting that Canelo was defeated, I had Floyd winning, I just don't get the idea that it was some sort of schooling or domination from Floyd. Yeah he won, but like plenty of other close fights throughout history should be seen as a close fight.

    It would be like saying SRL dominated and shut out Marvin Hagler or that Joe Frazier dominated Ali in their first fight. Saying stuff like that would just be stupid, you can win impressively in a close fight. It happens throughout history. But yet when it comes to Canelo it's like it's become normalized to exaggerate against him in every way possible, never give him credit for wins, say he was schooled when he wasn't. It just doesn't make any sense, I even get accused of being biased towards Canelo and I go to great lengths to try and not be biased at all.

    It's not like I'm arguging that Canelo won or something or even that a draw was reasonable. I said years ago that I disagreed with Ross specifically with the rounds she gave to Canelo. But I still recognized how close it was, and I don't get how people can't see that and can't give Canelo credit for taking Floyd to the limits. Instead it was such an insult to boxing to have one judge with a 114-114, oh the horror. I didn't have it a draw but it wasn't a schooling either.
     
  5. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd dominated every single round. Canelo could never ever ever handle a fighter like that.

    Poor boy got tossed.
     
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  6. Lazar

    Lazar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you the tool who tried to justify the 114-114 card? Lol
     
  7. Bollywooden

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    He didn't do enough to win but Canelo did better than given credit for. He got a draw on one card and people were so aghast they acted like he didn't win a round.
     
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  8. drenlou

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    Canelo would beat Floyd now, I'd bet on that.
     
  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd made Canelo his *****. End of story. Wasn't competitive. He dominated him easily. McGregor won more rounds off Floyd even if Floyd let him. That's just facts.

    If Lemieux was Mexican, Shadow and Isal would make a case for Lemieux vs Saunders being competitive. He made him flinch 35 times doooee.
     
  10. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lol now Floyd let McGregor snap his head back and take rounds off him. No wonder you're called Ellerbe, you sniff his ish the same way.
     
  11. kirk

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    Any Floyd pre Berto schools Canelo.

    Canelo was one of Mayweathers easiest modern fights.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a terrible post ellerbe. I know you're better than this. McGregor won more rounds off Floyd ? Really is that so ? Canelo won 3, 4, and 6 rounds according to the offical cards. That's 13 rounds amongst the 3 judges. McGregor won 3, 1 and 1 rounds according to the officlal cards. That's 5 rounds amongst the 3 judges.

    13 rounds > 5 rounds so where are these facts you speak of that McGregor won more rounds vs Floyd than Canelo did? It's not a fact, you're just saying it's a fact aren't you.

    And of course Floyd just let McGregor win rounds of course that didn't have anything to do with Floyd deteriorating as a fighter being in his 40s and all. He just let McGregor win all those rounds, of course 41 year old Floyd is still the same old Floyd right, but GGG at 36, that's really really old and therefore no credit can go to Canelo for beating GGG at that age even though a Floyd at the same age supposedly schooled Canelo right. It's fun to expose faulty logic and belief.
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's exactly what happened. And a similar phenomena to an extent happened in Canelo GGG 1. You had one outlier judge in Byrd made people so aghast at that score that they acted like GGG was robbed and deserved to win the fight outright. That's two instances where fans got so carried away with an outlier judge that it caused them to go to the other extreme in how they view the fight.
     
  14. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're a ****ing clown. Canelo didn't win a round against Floyd. He got completely and utterly dominated in a non-competitive fight. He got ****ing humiliated.
     
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're a clown for saying that it was a fact that McGregor won more rounds vs Floyd than Canelo did. That's not even remotely the case, and Canelo fought a much better version of Mayweather on top of that.