If Mayweather beats Pacquiao/Khan...If Pacquiao beats Mayweather/Martinez...

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  1. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Where does this place each fighter in terms of atg status...and where do you currently rank them?
     
  2. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Both sky rocket if either or beats each other.

    If Pac beats Martinez, he sky rockets possibly even more than beating Mayweather.


    If Mayweather beats Khan, he doesn't move up much if any. Khan isn't at that level. He hasn't fought at 147 yet.
     
  3. Farmboxer

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    Pac nor Void will beat Martinez, but Pac will knock Void out and Void knows it, that's why he lies about Pac being a drug addict. Void is afraid.........
     
  4. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, but where would you rank them in this hypothetical situation? I don't regard Martinez as unbeatable for floyd or pacquiao. I think he's just too risky to fight. Why give up all of the advantages?
     
  5. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if mayweather beats, ortiz, khan, pac, martinez then he is the best fighter of his generation. He could retire and be ahead of pac quite comfortably.
     
  6. Farmboxer

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    Void is void. He is afraid of Pac, Khan and Martinez, looks like Void and his pals are calling Khan names now like they did Pac, anyone Void is afraid of he calls names, claims they are drug addicts.............
     
  7. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I knew this was going to happen. Why did I make this thread...:-(
     
  8. kingmurkaveli

    kingmurkaveli Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wait a minute...PAC is the one who lied....Pac does not have to agree...but when he said he agreed we all turned on Floyd...then we all found out that he LIED about agreeing...Why did he LIE...He LIED and went to fight another bum...And now, allot of people arent even supporting this MEGAFIGHT between Ortiz and Floyd cuz they all think Floyd ducked Pac to fight Ortiz...Thats not right at all man...It really upsets me that Pac has turned even ME(a loyal floydfan) against Mayweather when he LIED and he turned allot of FANS againt him...When Pac lied, he sold his soul and when he did that, he already lost...It is in Pac's destiny to lose to Floyd cuz he has let Arum change him......."Fight me floyd...I am even willing to test inbetween rounds".....WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT???...As if he REALLY is willing to test?...Thats not cool and I dont support Pac at all....I have reasons to believe he is ducking Floyd cuz Floyd is not washed, drained, and coming off a loss...I think Pac DUCKED Mayweather to fight easier fights...thats the only reasons I can think of why he LIED...And I cant belive Floyd is scared of Pac, cuz he KEEPS fighting Guys that Pac wont fight..he keeps fighting the best...Guys who are bigger and stronger than Pac...Its sickening and anyone that supports what he does and how he represents himself to be jesus when he is really a liar that lies to fans by promoting bumbeatings as championship fights...everything about pac is Bad for boxing...he is depriving us of the fight we wanna see and he is trying to vulpinely place the blame on Mayweather and its affacting StarPower which should be the fight of the century
     
  9. DavidChao

    DavidChao A contender,.. a somebody Full Member

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    are next to meaningless for Mayweather, all things considered.

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    are meaningful.

    I'd have to give it a lot of thought, and it depends on where you currently have them. For me, I'd currently have MW around the 40~50 range. If he accomplished the wins I categorized as meaningful, especially at the stage of his career that he is in, i.e. inactivity and age considered, a case for MW in the 15-30 range could be made. He could always grab other good wins or get accrue some snazzy accomplishments to bolster his standing.

    I am critical of MW for some of the same reasons that I'd give him credit if he were to amass these impressive wins. That is, given his long periods of inactivity and relatively (I'd say) easy bouts, how much wear and tear has he sustained over the years? Has he eclipsed his prime, and how do we define his prime, as he is reliant upon both athleticism and defensive wizardry? Would the above wins, should he acquire them, really be a misnomer in terms of him competing both with his in-ring opponents and Father Time? May the latter even be on his side, given that his opponents may break down before Mayweather does--- given their more rigorous schedules--- from which there is no break?--- and that their styles are heavily reliant upon athleticism specifically? We'd need to ask ourselves how and when and why Martinez or Pacquiao decline when they do, and to what ends, though, to get a good evaluation of that. I add this caveat not to argue against myself, but because Pacquiao has gotten better with age and training and because Martinez has not really shown what he's made of until his mid/late 30s.

    This is but one avenue with which to assess Mayweather's standing potential. If he really wants to erase any doubt whatsoever that he is the best of this generation and wishes to be as high on the ATG scale as possible, I'd aver he should beat Martinez and Pacquiao in an impressive fashion and sooner rather than later. As to what he does afterwards, well, there's a bevy of options.
     
  10. Doc

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    I think If PAC beats Mayweather and Martinez he sky rockets to a level Mayweather would only dream of being...

    But if Mayweather beats, Khan, Martinez, PAC, Canelo, Ortiz he will pass PACQUIAO by a big margin.
     
  11. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah it's funny how an ortiz fight at 147 is meaningless when it comes to floyd yet if it was pac fighting Ortiz you would be talking about a great unification fight that could reveal the new lineal champ at the weight.

    You say floyd beating Ortiz at 147 is meaningless, yet the same people said floyd beating margarito would be meaningful when floyd entered the 147 division? How does that work?

    How does beating the number 1 JWW who is on a hot streak of wins become a meaningless fight for floyd?

    When cotto was at JWW he went up and fought Quintana and Judah before people were crying for a floyd showdown.

    Amir can easily go up like ricky hatton to 147 and give it a shot.
     
  12. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A win is a win as long as there is no controversy around the result impressive fashion has little to do with it. If floyd beats pac and martinez clear, he the better fighter period.
     
  13. finalfight

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    Don't worry about Farmboxer mate, you'll quickly come to realise that his hate filled posts are the laughing stock of ESB and the reason he doesn't illicit many responses these days is because the basement dwelling troll is on most people's ignore list.
     
  14. FORMIDABLE

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    Not comparable. Margarito defended his WBO belt multiple times, he had 6 defences before Mayweather even moved up, including the crushing win over Cintron. Later he became a 3-time champ winning the IBF and WBA belts. Margarito proved himself, he actually fought the best opposition out of all his peers (Pac, Mosley, Cotto, Paul Williams, Cintron x2, Clottey, young Martinez, Six-Head Lewis). Good luck to Ortiz matching that.
     
  15. AnthonyW

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    Pacquiao gets more out of his two bouts than Mayweather gets out of his.

    Martinez, Mayweather and Pacquiao - True Elites of the sport (Mayweather and Pacquiao more so).
    Khan - Showing good potential, but has yet to have obtained the resume to be compared to the above 3.