If Miguel Cotto couldn't beat Mayweather, Pacquaio can't.

Pac knocked Cotto out, Void could not come near doing such................

 

mr. spot on at it again hahahaha

how is markq doing???

 

I agree that Cotto had the tools to beat Mayweather. However we haven't seen Mayweather face a fighter like Manny, who can match him both in hand and foot speed and at the same time put pressure on him. We'll see come May 2.

 

no idea where these people are getting this from. Cotto is not fast, he got beaten by Margareito, of all people. I never saw him as a threat. Only fast fighters are threats. Judah was a threat, he technically knocked Floyd down in their fight. Judah had the skills but lacked stamina, heart, discipline, ring iq ETC... For those first 5 rounds, Floyd looked ordinary, then Judah lost lost steam, he had no stamina. I'm not sure Floyd 'figured him out', Judaa just couldn't keep it up and Floyd just waiting for that moment.

 

deal

 

If that's the case then I do agree. Cotto definitely has the right style to beat Mayweather but sadly lacked the activity/stamina.

 

I understand and agree with your clarification. But I disagree with the premise. Because...

NO ONE has shown the exact attributes required to beat Floyd. Can anyone prove what these are?

I seem to recall a number of geniuses here that said Pacquiao was in real trouble going into the fight with Algierie because Algierie had all of the attributes to win and was a stylistic nightmare for Pacquiao.

That really played out.

The main attributes carried by Floyd and Pac into this fight (that causes all of these threads) is that each one of these men are arguably the most impressive or the best opponent that the other has faced.

It's new territory and we will see what that brings to the table on May 2.

 

The attributes to beat someone in Mayweather's extraordinary, confusing, adaptable and rare style is actually obvious and proven based on other special fighters that shared his attributes. I've been a fan of Mayweather and said this since 2004.

Obviously there is no style that will totally dominate or break Mayweather's, any style running into Mayweather's will have to go through a tough 50/50 type of fight to hopefully get the nod from the judges. A style similar to Paul Williams', Maidana's and so on. An aggressive smothering style that throws wild punches from odd angles nonstop wherever opening they find(body, head, ribs, chest, neck, shoulders..etc). Even then, that style might not prevail in the long run but it's definitely the ideal style to be in the fight with someone like Mayweather and actually compete. Please note that an aggressive one-dimensional style that can't cut off the ring(Concreto, Baldomir...etc) is losing every single round. Ricky Hatton had the style but lacked the size and stamina to keep it up. Not to forget that he has to be able to take Mayweather's underrated punches/power and counters and still be there. While Castillo was successful, I personally believe he clearly lost both fights. It's not easy, but doable.

In this generation there's only one fighter that I would safely pick over Mayweather, only one. Even Pacquiao, who I give a solid chance to win even in 2010, might not actually cut it because he's not as wild as he's supposed to be. The fighter I'll pick is Paul Williams. He has the style, chin, stamina and freakish height/reach advantages to boot.

 

Not to mention the volume punching too. You already have someone with height, reach, stamina and endurance but add in volume and that, in my opinion, is Floyd's greatest nightmares all rolled up into one.

 

if anyone is a stylistic nightmare for this version of Mayweather its Manny Pacquiao.

 

Indeed.

 

A damaged goods Cotto, Margo and Pac's leftover as one of Floyd's best wins ? :rofl

What's the other one ? A bloated Marquez who went up 2 divisions and got cheated on the scale ?:rofl

 

I Like your comment and believe it is well-thought out. I also agree with every boxer-specific comment you made.

One attributed I will agree upon is this: In each fight where I believe fighters have had an edge on Floyd for periods of the fight, or in specific rounds, what I could identify this as is simply "unrelenting aggression."

You have identified this with physical specifics, and by naming individuals, but I am not sure that's the whole story. I think what Floyd may not really deal well with is "unrelenting confidence" on the part of the other fighter.

He normally weathers these storms and outlasts his opponents wearing them down with great defense and pot shots. I think the key for anyone beating him lies with that fighter having the endurance to simply not stop.

Speed, power, bullying, angles, caveman tactics have ALL worked against Floyd but only over relatively short periods of time. No one has shown the endurance/toughness/***** to keep it up and to outlast him physically and emotionally.

IMO Pacquiao could beat Floyd, but only if he has an overdrive to shift into for the last 3rd of the fight. I'm a little less concerned about physical specifics. Break Floyd's spirit... you can win.

 

The description sounds more like tony or maidana. Not saying you are wrong, but I feel tony and maidanais more of a pressure swarmed than cotto who is more a puncher boxer.

Plus floyd appears slightly taller than cotto and longer. I re watched this fight recently, and while I had it on first viewing as 7 5 cotto, cause I wanted him to win. No way was it that close, I had it re watched 9-3 floyd. That fight was entertaining, but not nearly as close as some thought it was. I think on some levels what you say has merit, which I'll touch on later.

I also think cotto may have done better under roach v's floyd and trout than diaz. i feel v's martinez roach had him moving in a way that sets up his punches better, better balanced and and more fluid in and out of his combos rather than the more Olympic style of on your toes movement under Diaz. Hard to tell as only 2 fights, and yeah it was martinez... But cotto looks good.

I wonder under roach If he may have done better against floyd and trout, Wold he struggle with those somewhat similar styles as much, and if the movement based diaz style that worked against tony, may not have favored his strengths against slicker, boxer types that floyd and trout in a very general way are similar compared to cotto.