If Monzon Had Being A SRR Challenger??

Quite surprising today when you look at how many sportsmen smoked in the past. I saw a pic once of the 1970 England World Cup squad and Bobby Charlton with a couple of others had cigarettes in their hands. And what about that Argentinian football manager who chainsomoked his way through ninety minutes? His name escapes me.

 

Both Charlton's and Nobby Stiles smoked, so did Jimmy Greaves.
One of my coaches smoked.We all dreaded it when he put his fingers in our mouths to get our gum shields out hahahaha.
He'd only started smoking when he hung up his gloves at 28.
His son (all 3 boxed) started when he was around 50 ffs

 

I believe he lived the hard life off duty - the evidence is there - but I also believe that when Monzon went into camp he trained his a** off, respecting how much fitness and conditioning contributed to ultimate success.

I also liked how Monzon’s hands were always busy, be it connecting, feinting, probing, measuring or what have you. Never once appeared arm weary.

Take a breather and he eats you up.

Such a consummate pro - when Briscoe rocked him, Carlos held and cooly looked at the clock to see how much time was left in the round.

Finally, I find it intriguing that he kept sparring to a minimum, utilising more so, a range of other training methods to hone himself for the actual fight.

The vids of Monzon training are compelling vision in their own right.

Anyway, it’s enough to be getting on with taking the licks in an actual fight but lots of sparring can multiply the punishment a fighter takes over his career ten fold (see Ali).

Maybe Carlos was on to something or maybe that type of prep was just ideally and uniquely best for him.

 

A poster referred to Carlos Monzon as a Mummy, well that Mummy won 82 fights in a row since his last loss on Oct 9 1964, he avenged his three career decision losses with victories. Monzon retired as world champion after a 7 year reign and 14 successful title defenses, sometimes Flash and Dash looks pretty to some, but sometimes Mummyism gets it done. Monzon's record at the time of his retirement was 89-3-9, 61 KO's, he also defeated eight of the nine men he had fought a draw with, the ninth would not fight him again. Monzon was to me the greatest world middleweight champion that ever lived, by the way who retired as champion with 14 title defenses? Sure Muhammad Ali was a great champion but sometimes people try to imitate people much too often, that becomes rather boring because they lack original content, lack of identity so to speak.

 

Monzon wins.

 

the best middleweight matchup since Hagler v. Hearns but without the thrills

Monzon's style is tricky, not easy to reach, and his footwork is underrated

His height was another physical advantage

but Robinson had the perfect height for a middleweight and would connect with right hands where Bennie Briscoe and Valdez failed

A wise man once said "where there's a Sugar Ray, there's got to be a way"

 

Monzon would have dusted the floor with Pavlik & Taylor. He'd have made those two to look like punks.

 

Monzon had the tools, but they would have been unflashy, minimalist and subtle...no wild swings like Fullmer, no fighting with his face like LaMotta and no struggling uphill with all the physical disadvantages like Basilio. It would have largely been Monzon's ring IQ that would have made the difference vs the great SRR.

 

Exactly RC .... There is no better example in boxing history in the gap in mental toughness .. Actually i cant think of any 2 more apart
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Pavlik
Hes got ZERO chance

 

You see surfinghb...concerning Monzon...the amount of ignorance in this forum is just amazing. They should change the name of Classic to "General Forum ll"..or "General Jr."...

 

I can't disagree there.

 

Monzon`s style based around his reach he never beat a fighter with a 78 inch reach.

 

Very pleasant thread. Really enjoy the Classic section more often than not definitely my favourite forum. Saved a lot of fights from both today all I need is the time to watch em hahaha.


Will do my research once I get to watchin more of them. I've noticed the main general consensus is that Monzon is the clear winner of the post mid 50s SRR which im not surprised. As great as SRR was past prime he definitely couldn't have held a long reign at MW especially not of Monzons length. Can see him picking up a win or two but I tend to favor Monzon assuming if either wins the series.

 

Of course. Cheese champions.

 

Just youngsters who just love their contemporaries, those guys like Pavlick and Taylor lost their titles, Carlos Monzon retired as champion on August 29 1977, 14 title defenses, no one else accomplished that feat since then and I do not want to hear those baseless conspiracy theories, I respect the judges scores, you know who I am talking about. There is no crying in boxing. Ha Ha.