If Mosley applies the punch, punch, punch, then clinch work against Mayweather?

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Margarito is never a tomato can!

    He is a stereotype of a tall fighter in the mold or Arguello, hearns, Corrales, Paul Williams.

    Tall fighters are not cute or fluid or exactly technical in the mold of Mayweather or JMM. They basically are punching machines due to their advantage in reach. They have certain degree of difference in their offensive arsenal, but most of them have atrocious defense simply because their best weapon is keep on punching by virtue of having longer reach. Their foot movement is not exactly science as well because by physiology, the longer your body is, the longer for nerve impulses to reach the brain and back to the action muscle to execute.

    Tall fighters can be defeated by fast fighters who knows how to close distances very fast.

    I actually still have to see a tall fighter who moves like mayweather, or judah. I saw a lot of Paul William's fight and this guy has atrocious defense, but definitely a punching machine.
     
  2. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    There is one thing that Mayweather is not doing right now - he tends to be stationary, just using upper body movement.

    Mosley can actually exploit this because one thing that I believe Mayweather is vulnerable is a body punch. Trying to head-hunt Mayweather is like trying to hit the ball at the end of the pendulum, very hard to do.

    However, a pedulum can be hit easily at the base, or the body of the boxer. It does not have to be clean hit all the time and infact, may hit the elbow most of the time. Justkeep on throwing body shots, then go for the head, and clinch or push putting your weight forward (some call this crowding) is a very good strategy.

    In order to win a fight against a superior ly technical fighter, you have to make the fight ugly! You simply can not win being cute against a cute fighter. Judges will be scoring this on who is the busier fighter because if you crowd fighters, there is no way in hell that the fighter can punch a straight punch, so even if it connects, it would not have the same power as a straight punch, and that punch would not even be considered "clean punch" which is what judges look for.

    To be fair, Mayweather can easily win this fight as well if he lets the age of Mosley show, meaning he has to avoid in-fighting, be cute. It is more tiring for an old fighter. Clinching is tiring for the smaller fighter.
     
  3. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope.
     
  4. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    :patsch You don't know what the hell your talking about. It was clear in the second Castillo fight Floyd HAD to outbox Castillo from the distance in order to beat him. Every boxing expert and person that saw the first fight knew Castillo won. Floyd had no CHOICE but to fight Castillo's fight because he didn't know how to deal with his pressure, not because he wanted to.

    And yes, Floyd was landing those right hands at will and just beating Oscar to the punch in the second half of the fight, but it wasn't the first time Oscar was known for getting gassed. The most he ever did to him was stun him or stop him in his tracks, but Oscar was never hurt. Even Oscar admitted that after the fight and afterwards the rematch was offered to Floyd to whom it could've been an easy payday, but strangely declined, and I don't even like Oscar.

    Mayweather has trouble with the jab because every fighter has trouble with the jab? O please, get off Floyd's scrotum!
     
  5. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some of these things are not like the others, some of these things, do not belong.
     
  6. pejevan

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    As I have stated, some have more arsenal than others, may it better defensively, or offensively, but definitely, they fight alike to a certain degree.

    I have seen many arguello fights and I am sure he does not fight like Mayweather.
     
  7. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Floyd had no choice but to fight Castillo's fight, but then he turned around and fought his own fight in the rematch? Doesn't that imply that Mayweather could have chosen to fight his own fight at any time, but chose to mix it up in the first fight? Otherwise why didn't Castillo just impose the fight on Floyd in the rematch. Oh, that's right, because he couldn't, because Floyd decided not to fight that way again.

    Simple question, if Oscar stopped jabbing and consequently lost the fight because he was gassed then why didn't he sweep the early rounds? Oh, right, because it's a load of crap. Oscar was never, anywhere in the fight, able to mount any serious offense or put Floyd in any trouble. The best he could manage was to win rounds by keeping Floyd on the ropes and being active, which no doubt had a lot to do with his tiring at the end of the fight.

    And yes, Mayweather has no more specific trouble with a good solid jab than any other fighter. A good jab is the most important and useful punch in boxing. I mean, it's a big reason Oscar was so successful in MANY of his fights. No one says that Tito has specific trouble with a good jab, despite Oscar's causing him problems, because it's a dumb ****ing statement. But people say it about Mayweather as if it's some sort of revelation that a good jab helps to set up offense. Wow, really deep commentary there.
     
  8. nipplefloss

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    He fights no more like Margarito than light Mayweather. The point is that Margarito does NOT fight like a tall fighter. He doesn't use his height or his range. Arguello or Hearns could work from the inside, but they would happily drop bombs on you from the outside, out of your range, all day long if they could get away with it. Margarito hunches over and walks forward eating punches until he gets to midrange, then he starts throwing a ton of leather. It's the same problem Paul Williams suffers from...no one has told them that they can hit guys without getting hit if they learn to stay on the end of their own punches.
     
  9. bald_head_slick

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    This won't work. Not against FMJ anyway.

    It works when a guy comes forward at you or you are constantly bulling forward against a guy with poor to average footwork.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

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    A fresh Zab Judah has the FASTEST hands at WW. Point blank. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't negate the facts. NOBODY has faster hands when fresh. NOBODY!
     
  11. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Your not making sense. He obviously didn't beat Castillo fighting the way he did the first time around, so why didn't he do it the second time around? Because Floyd was smart enough to not fight him the same way he did the first time around. And your wrong about Floyd having trouble with ONLY fighters with great jabs. He also struggled with southpaws in Corley and Judah. YOU were the one that brought up the subject on Floyd's troubles with the jab. When you want to talk boxing and stop washing Floyd's balls, then more people around here might take you seriously. Now go rinse, lather, rinse, and repeat since that's what it seems your doing.
     
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    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    O **** I should of known. Typical Floyderinas. No point in this. Bitches can't handle the truth. Thinking he's still got the 0 on his record they're only delusional. The only 0 he's got is in his butthole you floyderinas want to lick. Fake ass boxingfans. For real.

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  15. angelos

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    I hate Shane's style nowadays. It would definitely be hard for Mayweather but he is a Master.