If Muhammed Ali didn't have the personality and the charisma that he did?

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  1. BoxingFacts

    BoxingFacts New Member booted Full Member

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    Without Ali's personality and charisma, do you think he wouldn't be rated as high?

    He was an amazing boxer first and foremost but I belive his personality and charisma enhanced his career.
     
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  2. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Member Full Member

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    On par with Rocky Fielding
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If his career played out exactly the same but had a boring personality he'd be a combination of Holmes and Lennox Lewis: people would begrudgingly have to admit his place in history as a top 5 champion. I don't see how you couldn't with a resume like that. I mean, Joe Louis wasnt the most charismatic guy either, pretty boring honestly, and he's #1 or #2 on some people's lists.
     
  4. BoxingFacts

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    Canelo's greatest win
     
  5. joebeadg

    joebeadg Active Member Full Member

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    he wouldn't have been given as many decisions
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Give me the guys who couldn't match his charisma but could match him in terms of number of wins over top 10 ranked opponents, number of wins over top 5 ranked opponents, number of wins in title fights and number of wins over HWs in most's top 10-15.

    You will only find Louis who's even close.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think his schtick has aged well. There's a lot of selective recollection and amnesia in the cultural celebration of him.

    I judge him solely on his boxing results which verify him as an ATG.
     
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  8. TheEliteMaster100

    TheEliteMaster100 New Member Full Member

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    Ali's run through of 1970 - 1974 consisted more wins over ranked opposition while post prime than most heavyweight championship runs.

    Let alone his atg chin, will to win and heart. Overall a special and unique fighter. He is the greatest after all.
     
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  9. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Idealism must not be staunched by safety Full Member

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    Actually Joe Louis was both a father figure to the nation with his patriotic figure and encouraging speeches, and when he wanted to he had a quick wit, it just so happens he wasnt always allowed to show said wit

    I find Louis very charismatic but I guess that's just me, seems to be an unpopular opinion
     
  10. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of this, but two very minor asides:
    Joe Louis may not have been charismatic, but it seems to me he comes off as pretty likable.

    Larry Holmes’ personality actually kind of grows on me after a while, a bit like an irascible uncle who always makes a minor scene at family gatherings but is all the more charming for it.
     
  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. For his time Louis was definitely very charismatic. Just like Ali had the respect of his fans and his boxing peers so did Joe Louis. Both used their charisma and fame as Heavyweight World Champion to become advocates for positive social change both during and after their boxing years.

    I never did get to meet Joe Louis, since he passed before my time, but I did get to meet Ali and Foreman in the 90’s at a muscular distrophy benefit and Foreman mentioned Joe Louis and Walcott hosting a similar benefit in the past for Ezzard Charles and that him and Ali were carrying on the effort to bring awareness to muscular distrophy.
     
  12. Boxing2019

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    Personality and charisma came from his balanced security in his own means imo.
    Foreman was TOO confident and he lost.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    I don't doubt Joe Louis had some charisma it's just that his handlers went out of their way to suppress his behavior/speech 24/7 out of fear that he might become jack johnson 2.0.
     


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