If Nathan Cleverly wasnt good at LHW, why do so many top LHWs fight his former foes?

Your claim has no evidence behind it whatsoever, you could see him winning based on what?

Cleverly has never fought anyone remotely as good as Hopkins or Stevenson and the only time he has fought a genuine top light heavy we all know what has happened.

 

Actually you mention Calzaghe in your very 2nd sentence on the first page. You utter berk.

 

If you look at Hopkins resume at LHW it isn't really that impressive in his wins.


The same goes for Stevenson. His resume is fairly mediocre, too.



Dawson is the name on both their resumes who was pretty much done before he fought Stevenson.



I don't think Cleverly was that far off Hopkins or Dawson at the time.


I think he had a lot of confidence and his workrate would trouble Hopkins.


If he stepped up to face Hopkins before Kovalev he would have done pretty well imo.



Kovalev is much better than the pack at LHW. Whereas Stevenson and Hopkins weren't that much better than Cleverly at the time.

 

At LHW Hopkins has beaten Tarver, Pascal, Dawson, Cloud, Shumenov. All of those guys have held belts, and three of them were number one fighters in their division at a given point in time.

Stevenson has beaten Dawson, Cloud - both belt holders and Bellew way more convincingly than Cleverly

Cleverly has beaten Murat, Bellew and then a bunch of no hopers. None of his defeated opponents have ever even held a belt. What was the top ring ranking of his defeated opponent?

Cleverly resume is just so poor in comparison. Now I do think that Cleverly was a talented fighter, but he is a prime example of what happens when an over protected boxer finally faces a top class opponent.

 

Let's be fair Kovalev beat Hopkins easily, too. He was 50 but he did beat Hopkins easily.


Tavoris Cloud was never that good at all. I never did rate him even though he was a world champ. He had some lucky decisions go in favour of him.



I really think Cleverly would have beaten Tavoris Cloud.



I think Clev would've beaten Shumenov, too. I never rated him, either.


Stevenson is good but not great. I don't think he's on Kovalev's level.


I think Stevenson vs Cleverly would be a different fight altogether than Kovalev vs Cleverly.


It's easy to dig through resumes without keeping in mind where they were in their careers.


If a fighter was green, shot,...etc.... I mean Tommy Karpency the part time boxer nurse beat Chad Dawson.


Without taking notice that Chad is shot to bits then you could say Karpency went on to beat a top ex p4p world champ.

 

Debating with you is like clubbing baby seals, it isn't even fair. You gotta do better than these 'I think' statements.

 

You're going on resume not basing things on where a fighter is at in their career.



Fighters improve, or lose their hunger, or become shot,...etc...




We'll never know how Cleverly would have done at the time by 100 percent fact but we can guess.


I can only think he would do well against Tavoris Cloud but i will never know.



The triangle theories don't work, either. Just because Stevenson destroyed Bellew doesn't mean he would destroy Cleverly.

 

Do you think Cloud was that good?


And Shumenov?



Really? If you do then i don't think you have an eye for talent.

 

Cloud is not great, but better than anyone Cleverly has beaten and it's not even close.

Shumenov is a fringe top 10 fighter, much like Murat, but that's totally irrelevant to this argument considering Hopkins other wins.

 

The possibility of fighters fighting common oppoenets in the same divsion that they compete in is pretty common this has gone on for yrs but the OP is trying to elevate a guy who was average a best to suit yet another re****ed agenda :hi::good

 

Probably because you cannot import LHW fighters from outer space, there's a pool that provides a limited number of fighters on a certain level.