If not Povetkin, who should Wilder fight next?

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    You really think you're coming across as fair and balanced here dude? Especially with the first line, I'm American too but it's ridiculous to think that we're entitled to all of the big fights. Boxing is a GLOBAL sport.

    Povetkins backers won the purse bid, so Klitschko/Povetkin took place in Moscow....Not sure what you're getting so upset about, this applies to everyone in boxing..... What you think about champs being entitled to a homefield advantage is irrelevant.
     
  2. ellerbe

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    It's not about being fair and balanced, those are just the facts. If you disagree tell me where the biggest fights are, and which country do boxers want to fight in? Are you telling me if Wlad could have his career in US he wouldnt?

    I'm not upset about Povetkin winning the bid against Klitschko. I'm just pointing out that Povetkin has had a history of taking champs out of their hometown and making them defend their belt in his. Do you think you're being fair and balanced by saying that Wilder should go to different countries and defend his belt blah blah blah if he's a true champ, when Povetkin has never done this, and has dragged other champs out of their country? If Wilder wants to drop his belt it's perfectly reasonable to anyone that doesn't have anything against Wilder. You clearly have something against him, and I'd bet if Wilder was the one that won the bid against Povetkin(if Povetkin was a champ), you'd be talking about how Wilder was going to rob him, and how Wilder should have went to his backyard.
     
  3. UnleashtheFURY

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    What I, or you think is irrelevant.... If an agreement isn't made the fight will to go to purse bids. Whoever wins the bid will decide where the fight takes place.
     
  4. ellerbe

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    Yes, I understand that, so if Povetkin's backers win the bid, and Wilder has to go to Russia, any reasonable person would not judge him for dropping the belt. And if Povetkin really wanted the fight, and if Wilder was such an easy target glass chin bum, Povetkin would be willing to make a deal in the US and KO him, Wilder is a huge bum right?
     
  5. UnleashtheFURY

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    So what you're saying is Wlad is good enough to go to Russia and beat Povetkin, but Wilder isn't? I really don't care where the fight takes place to be honest, I just want the god damn thing to happen.
     
  6. ellerbe

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    How many belts were on the line for Wlad? If he had to vacate more than 1 belt then he had far more to lose than Wilder.
    Either way Wlad has proven to be the GOAT HW of this era since Lewis and there is no competition. I hate Wlad's style, and I don't enjoy watching him, but he is the definition of a real champ for this era.
    I want the fight to happen too, and if Povetkin really wanted it to happen do you agree or not that he would come to an agreement where they would fight in the US? Wilder has 0 excuse of not fighting Povetkin if it's in the US, and his fans like myself would definitely ditch him like we did to Kid Chocolate after he ducked Korobov.
     
  7. UnleashtheFURY

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    So what you're saying it is.... Wilder has the right to be afraid of being robbed in Russia, but Povetkin shouldn't give a second thought about being robbed in Al Haymon territory? Ridiculous, especially considering all of the robberies/horrible judging on Haymon bills this year alone.

    Wilder has 0 excuse not to fight Povektin in general... Doesn't matter if it's in the US, Russia or on Mars. He's his mandatory and as champ he's obligated to defend against him... If the WBC stick to their word and enforce this instead of letting Wilder get another easy fight then this will go to purse bids, and the winner will host the fight....
     
  8. ellerbe

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    No what I'm saying is that champs whether it's wilder or Povetkin should not have to be afraid of getting robbed outside their hometown, unless they're fighting in a place that they're going to get far more exposure and money, which is CLEARLY not the case.
    Wilder has absolutely an excuse to anyone reasonable and not a wilder hater like yourself to vacate his belt if he doesn't want to go to Russia. Why should he risk getting robbed when HE'S the champ, in someone else's hometown when he isn't getting more exposure or money?
    I thought Wilder is glass jawed, why would he get robbed? Aren't you one of those guys talking about Wilder's chin 24/7, he's a bum and he has a glass jaw, it's going to be an easy KO right?
     
  9. UnleashtheFURY

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    Well what you think about "champs" being entitled to home turf advantage is irrelevant, it's not the way things work in boxing. If Wilder drops his belt instead of Russia like many of the detractors believe, he'll be viewed as a coward not someone worried about getting robbed.

    Really you're just going on about entitlement, what you think AND want regarding the fight.

    I've already gone on record that I don't really care where the fight takes place.... You seem to be the one obsessed and worried about that. I'm just explaining how things work in boxing.
     
  10. ellerbe

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    He'll only be viewed as a coward by wilder haters like yourself. Like I said, anyone reasonable and not anti-haymon and every black fighter would see why he dropped his belt.

    "You seem to be the one obsessed and worried about that. I'm just explaining how things work in boxing."

    No you're not. Explaining how Wilder haters will call him a coward is not explaining how things work in boxing. :patsch:lol:

    I'm the one doing the explaining. If the champ doesn't want to fight outside his hometown, and risk getting robbed he has every right to vacate. That's how boxing works.
     
  11. UnleashtheFURY

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    Dropping a title to avoid fighting someone is generally regarded as cowardly move in boxing, so yeah....

    So anyone critical of Wilder, or understands how the sport of boxing works is unreasonable, and racist? :lol:

    What you say doesn't really hold any merit here... Only thing it's indicative of is YOU not having a problem with Wilder dropping his belt, and the fact that you seem to think that belt holders are entitled to hometurf advantage and that purse bids go out the window. Not the way things work.
     
  12. UnleashtheFURY

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    You're making a complete fool out of yourself here man, that's what you're doing :lol:
     
  13. ellerbe

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    Nope, dropping a title because you have to travel to another country and risk getting robbed even though you get far more exposure in the States isn't considered cowardly to anyone reasonable.

    Understands how boxing works? It's clear that you're getting emotional because of your obsessive hate for Wilder. Not all Wilder haters are racists, but yes a huge portion are and that's pretty much fact, just like all the Haymon haters. You'll notice most of these guys are GGG fans, and absolutely fine wiht him fighting C level opposition.

    Yep, I have absolutely no problem of Wilder dropping his belt if he's being forced to fight outside of the US. When did I say that they're entitled? Do you have reading comprehension problems? If I thought they were entitled to hometurf advantages and purse bids go out the window why would I say that Wilder has every right to vacate like 50 times. :lol::lol:
     
  14. ellerbe

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    You're doing that by repeating yourself a billion times :lol:, and claiming that I said that champs are entitled to hometurf advantage, and purse bids go out the window, even though I clearly mentioned that Wilder would have to vacate if that happened :lol::lol:. You're getting far too emotional over this subject because you clearly have hatred against Wilder which is why you have millions of posts about Wilder's glass chin.

    You lost this argument, get over it.
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

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    Except Wilder would get a ton of exposure, and validate himself if he were to go to Russia and beat Povetkin. Certainly more than beating the likes of Molina, and Duhaupas here in the states... If Wilder drops his belt he's going to receive major criticism from the press, and fans alike, not just the detractors...


    Seems like you're the one getting emotional here.... Calling people who don't agree with you or don't like Al Haymon racist :lol:

    You've made it very clear that you think champs should be entitled to hometurf advantage(at least in this instance) and that purse bids aren't fair.

    Wilder has every right to vacate his title you're right.... And boxing journalists, and fans will have every right to criticize him, and question his motives if he does so.