If only Abel and GGG had realised this a year ago...

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  1. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    I'm no GGG hater - I rate him, highly. What I don't rate is the way his career is managed. So what if he had moved up a year or so ago and fought Ward or Froch and lost? Those would have been great fights irrespective of the outcome. And I'm not saying 100% he would have lost to either, he's perfectly capable of K0ing either man.

    Truth is, I have no idea how either of these fights would have panned out. But that's the point; greatness is forged in the fights where reputations are put on the line.

    The trouble is, his career has been managed into a corner because his profile is now built around being supposedly unbeatable, meaning they can't risk a loss which would kill the goose that lays the golden egg. His first loss and the mirage is exposed. Which is why they waited until both the above names were no longer viable fights before talking up GGG as a SMW. Abel went off-message and gave away the game by what he said.

    It's a real pity. The last fighter who was seen as destructive as GGG was Manny, in my book, but he'd taken losses before his peak years and suffered some during his decline. Do we think less of him for that? No, we admire him for having the guts to take fights he could lose, and did lose. He's still a legend. Many still rate him above FM despite the defeat, because of when it took place. That defeat didn't harm his legacy.

    But GGG can't risk this happening to him because as soon as someone takes his '0' the casuals will move on to someone else and the earning potential disappears overnight. Sadly, what GGG has become is a human marketing campaign. His talent deserves much more and unless they start taking risks with his career he will only ever be a footnote to boxing history. That's a shame.... and a sham.
     
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  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Great post
     
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  3. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ggg is not afraid of ward,and after he tears through the 168lb division or even before he finished,he will fight ward.ward is well within gggs reach,and beatable for ggg.
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The word "duck" gets thrown around far too easy.

    Did GG really duck Andre Ward?

    Did he fight other SMW's and turn down a concrete offer? No.

    He mused about having a fight at SMW, but in the end he decided to concentrate on obtaining his MW goals.

    You guys talk as though he acted in the same way Canelo has, whilst also completely ignoring the fact that Ward has only fought LHW tune ups within the last 2.5 years.

    A fight was never really viable.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You've made some good points but you make things sound so simple.


    Again, was the Ward fight really there for him?

    Could both parties have reached an agreement?

    Was Ward in a position to fight?

    Was Froch?

    GG has said from the outset that his main goal is to rule MW.

    You can't criticise him for not moving up to SMW before he's accomplished his MW goals, especially when those fights weren't offered on a plate to him.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

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    I didn't say it's the same as Canelo. Nor did I say he has done anything but have a LHW fight in the last 2.5 years.

    The duck was because he was willing to face Chavez or Froch at SMW but wasn't willing to face Ward.

    It's not a big deal though, I wanna see the big fights at MW anyways.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, you say that to everyone who criticises GG in any way.

    Tell us again how he doesn't want tough fights and the proof is in the pudding.

    :lol:
     
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  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Its a great post dude. There is such thing as constructive criticism.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I didn't say you said it was the same as Canelo, I just used him as an example of a true duck.

    We've obviously got different definitions of a duck.

    Again, no official meetings ever took place to discuss any specifics, they fought in different divisions, and Andre was in no position to have a meaningful fight.

    That can't be classed as a duck in my opinion.
     
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  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's made some great points, but let's not pretend that the Froch and Ward fights were definitely available for him yet he turned them down.

    I don't think he's being mismanaged. But I think he fought too many amateur fights.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    You said

    "You guys talk as though he acted in the same way Canelo has, whilst also completely ignoring the fact that Ward has only fought LHW tune within the last 2.5 years."

    Hence my reply.

    I used to take duck as scared, clearly in this sport that isn't the case. Now I take it as someone who turned down a fight due to the risk/reward ratio. I'm not interested in official meetings, I don't follow the business side of things. It was clear Ward was willing to face G and clear that G wasn't.

    Like I said I'm not too bothered, there's no real expectations on a man to jump to a higher division and take on the champion there. I'd be more bothered if they were in the same division.
     
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  12. gold

    gold Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ward can't hold GGGs jock strap he's the king of the washed never quite was super six. He has done jack sheet and was never even in the same weight class. A duck? Your a clown.
     
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  13. drenlou

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    You want to spray GGG'S genitalia gold, don't you, you sick freak?:barf
     
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  14. QuadrupleG

    QuadrupleG MAZAFAKA Full Member

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    Ha-ha-ha. Smith is a bum. Wade was an undefeated prospect and IBF mandatory. Besides, Golovkin didn't drag him up.
     
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