If Pac beats Marg, does his weight-jumping top Hearns, Duran, RJJ and Oscar?

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  1. Raskolnikov

    Raskolnikov Guest

    If Pac beats Marg, this is how things will stand re modern era weight-jumping:



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    Has won recognized world titles in
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    divisions:

    Flyweight, Super-Bantamweight, Featherweight, Super-Featherweight, Lightweight, Light-Welterweight, Welterweight, Light-Middleweight

    Titles won:

    WBC flyweight
    IBF superbantam
    The Ring feather
    The Ring superfeather
    WBC superfeather
    WBC light
    The Ring light-welter
    WBO welter
    WBC light-middle

    Difference in weight between lowest and highest title-winning weight:

    112-150 =
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    Original title-winning weight as percent of highest title-winning weight:

    74.67%. So Pac has gained roughly
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    body weight over his world title career.



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    Has won recognized world titles in
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    divisions:

    Welterweight, light-middleweight, middleweight, super-middleweight, light-heavyweight

    Titles won:

    WBA welter
    WBC lightmiddle
    WBC middle
    WBO supermiddle
    WBC lightheavy
    WBA lightheavy

    Difference in weight between lowest and highest division:

    147-175 =
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    Original title-winning weight as percent of highest title-winning weight:

    84%. So Hearns gained roughly
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    body weight over his world title career.



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    Has won recognized world titles in
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    divisions:

    Lightweight, Welterweight, Light-Middleweight, Middleweight

    Titles won:

    WBA light
    The Ring light
    WBC light
    WBC welter
    WBA lightmiddle
    WBC middle

    Difference in weight between lowest and highest division:

    135-160 =
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    Original title-winning weight as percent of highest title-winning weight:

    84% approx. So Duran gained roughly
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    body weight over his world title career.



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    Won recognized world titles in
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    divisions:

    Middleweight, Super-Middleweight, Light-Heavyweight, Heavyweight

    Titles won:

    IBF middle
    IBF supermiddle
    WBC lightheavy
    WBA lightheavy
    IBF lightheavy
    WBA heavy
    WBC & WBA lightheavy (second lhw term)
    The Ring lightheavy

    Difference in weight between lowest and highest division:

    160-190 =
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    Original title-winning weight as percent of highest title-winning weight:

    82.9%. So Jones gained roughly
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    body weight during his world title career



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    Won recognized world titles in
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    divisions:

    Superfeatherweight, lightweight, light-welterweight, welterweight, light-middleweight, middleweight

    Titles won:

    WBO superfeather
    WBO light
    IBF light
    WBC light-welter
    WBC welter
    WBC lightmiddle
    WBA lightmiddle
    WBO middle
    WBC lightmiddle (second lmw term)

    Difference in weight between lowest and highest division:

    130-160 =
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    Original title-winning weight as percent of highest title-winning weight:

    81.25%. So Oscar gained roughly
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    body weight over his world title career





    Please vote and explain your answer :bbb
     
    Raskolnikov, Oct 28, 2010
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  2. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    Two things: first didn't Roy weigh in around 195-199? Also, what about Floyd and his 5 divisions?
     
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  3. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMO Pac is already ahead of those guys in his weight jumping feats. He's the smallest out of those guys, his best wins are as good as theirs, and he hasn't lost yet at these higher weights fighting the best. Duran, Hearns, De La Hoya all were stopped and had some bad losses outside their natural weight classes, and RJJ was stopped at the same age Pac is now after coming back down from heavy. A win over Mayweather and the fair comparisons would be with SRR and Henry Armstrong.
     
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  4. hewito

    hewito Guest

    Catchweights...ummmmm..not too sure!
     
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  5. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WBO welter (at 145)
    WBC light-middle (at 151)
    For Pacquiao should have a * next to them
     
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  6. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    Roy weighed 199 pounds against ruiz.

    So that's approximately 40 pounds he gained throughout his career. If you wanna be exact it's 39 pounds obviously.



    Edit: Can't ****en believe the Light Middleweight belt is on the line in Pac/Marg fight, truly ****en pathetic.
     
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  7. dannyboy147

    dannyboy147 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Isnt Pac going to weigh in at 147 for the "151" Bout??
     
    dannyboy147, Oct 29, 2010
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  8. Raskolnikov

    Raskolnikov Guest

    Nah, actually Roy weighed 193lbs vs Ruiz.
     
    Raskolnikov, Oct 29, 2010
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  9. Raskolnikov

    Raskolnikov Guest

    Well, Oscar won titles in the same 5 divisions plus middleweight, so how could Floyd be the better weight-jumper? Oscar's inclusion excludes Floyd. Duran, Hearns and Jones achieved different weight-jumping feats to Oscar and Floyd, whose weight-jumping was very similar except Oscar's was better.
     
    Raskolnikov, Oct 29, 2010
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  10. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    I guess so. The competition faced in each of those weights is a different thing.
     
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  11. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    yeah. pac will come in light. so the weight difference from feather is not that big.

    *why is floyd not listed?
     
    blur, Oct 29, 2010
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  12. Legend2

    Legend2 Active Member Full Member

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    Checkout the Jones-Ruiz documentary, when they weighted Jones they somehow weighted him wrong and thought it was 193 and Jones was like are you sure?! Then they showed when Jones went back home and he weighted himself and it he weighted 199. Then he was joking saying "come fight night when I land clean he'll say (Ruiz) this dude ain't no 193!!".
     
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  13. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How is RJJ 160-190 when he weighed 193 and the guy he beat was about 230 for his HW fight? If you are going to make a bull**** thread to praise Pac you don't have to go into such detail. Personally I think you have to rate Pac along with these guys although quality is not all about weight jumping because we had that guillimaro jones who was a champ at welter + cruiser. Pac man is certainly a modern great but like Jones I get the feeling he's using ped's. There's even a lot of speculation DLH did from people who used to work with him. You have to ask weather these guys would shine so much if everyone else used those methods.
     
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  14. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Roy's jumping counts as 65-70 pounds because you are supposed to count the weigt of the guys they beat.
     
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  15. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    it already has
     
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