if Pac beats Oscar, is he a GREATER fighter than Floyd?

Like I said name them.:good There was a big gap between them it was PBF then there was everyone else. He was clearly head and shoulders above the rest and Pac only got into the postion he is today because PBF retired had PBF still been active Pac wouldn't be there now.:deal

 

That's one writter's opinion show me a soure like the ring or espn that has Pac over PBF in the P4P rankings...I'll save you the trouble you won't find one.:yep

 

I dont think quite yet. an amazing fighter- and it would be close- but in terms of legacy- floyd has conquered more divisions- and is still undefeated- and also had the p4p title longer. also he beat larger men- and regularly. If manny beats oscar he pulls close behind, then hatton he pulls even, then say someone like miguel cotto- then he would be clearly above floyd.

Then there is the matter of overall skills. no doubt manny is a monster- but floyds style- although unexciting to many casual observers- is a masterful boxing technique- an old school skillful style which is almost unbeatable, untrainable and unimatable- its almost a martial art- with its amazing ability to use the opponents strength against them ( which by the way is the final passing 'test' of a grandmaster in martial arts lore. ) we havent seen someone with his technique since the two sugar rays- and ali.

Mannys style- is more like a tyson- dependant on his amazing technique yes- but also freakish genetic ability ( not to say floyd dosent have this also- but floyd would be a great fighter- even without the speed and strength i dare say). in this sense- historically speaking- it is more vulnerable- or at least has the illusion of thus.

let me put it another way. When floyd fights- he barely looks like being hit- let alone losing a round. when manny fights- he s on the brink of being knocked out as he is knocking hte other guy out- off balance and frenetic. the perception therefore is that floyd is the more solid of the two in the ring- the more sure a bet- and therefore the one most historians would say is the greater when measured against the legends of all time- and each other.

I have no doubt that manny is the more popular, the more exciting, and the more appealing to everyone- including myself. but the quesiton is who is the greater?

in terms of accomplishments- its floyd.
in terms of historical relativity- its floyd.
in terms of abilty- its floyd
in terms of head to head? - its floyd.

Its floyd.

 

Please close thread.

 

I really do think we took floyd s ability for granted. i think it had alot to do with his personality . but we always demanded so much of him - and never gave him his due when he delivered. we always set the bar just beyond what he could do - then criticised him when he did hit the mark. he started at 130- when he went to 135 and took on corrales- people said he would get smashed. when he went to 140 people said gatti was too big- too strong. when he went to 154 to take on oscar- people said look what castillo did to floyd- surely oscar would smash him . when he took on hatton- people said hatton was a bum and not worthy anyway- despite many people backing him to win. And after each win he has seldom gained credit- fights too safe- dosen finish the fighter. yes but he wins. people have often said hes the jordan of boxing. i disagree. i think he s the tim duncan. boring. no personality youd want to graviate towards. but when its all said and done- he s been as dominant as anyone in their era.
all he could do is win- and he did that- maybe not in the style we wanted. but he won. if people hate it so much- then hey - beat him. get someone to beat him. i bet your thinking of someone who can? someone floyds ducking? well i also bet whomever that person is- is so much bigger than floyd- that its almost comical .

If manny gets the credit- win or lose- for fighting oscar - who is someone so much bigger-
then why hasnt floyd gotten the credit in his career.

if youre going to slam floyd for duckin tony - then slam manny for ducking cotto. fair is fair.

 

you make a good point-
im not sure but i dont think pac 'conquered' those divisions necessarilly- gaining undisputed in all those divisions. i ll find out though. thanks for the rebuke- its a debate- im not here to diss you or anybody- we re all contributing to each others knowledge of boxing here aren't we?

 

Im being facetious here by the way.

 

So you want Pac to beat Oscar, Hatton AND Cotto to go ahead of Mayweather. Thats ridiculous. Pacs got a far better legacy already. Floyd could fight anyone he wanted, and he always chose the fight that offered maximum benefit for minimum risk. Mayweather refused to fight Cotto because there was a strong possibility he would be beaten. Pac starts his career at 105 fights pretty much the best competition at every weight class until 147, but he still has to beat Cotto, easily one of the best at 147, to be considered greater than Floyd "Id join the circus if the money was right" Mayweather Jr. You've got to be joking.

Im not particularly a fan of Pacquiao and i have to say the Mayweather fans on here are bigger nut-huggers than any Pac fan.

 

First off stop lying to us ok. And don't ever mention Cotto when talking about Floyd. You're just another Pac fan that's all. PAc fans will overrate PAc, and if it wasn't for PAc, you wouldn't even be boxing fans lol. You guys don't even scream Donaire lol... PAc and Arum refused to fight Guzman at 130 when they saw Guzman beat Soto.

 

corrales should have never been in the ring with all the **** he was going through,castillo mopped the ring with floyd on their first encounter and hatton is overrated i think but he still smoked your boy mallignaggi