If Pacquiao beats Diaz and they both put in an A- performance, Pac is p4p No. 1...

Floyd's performance was A level without a doubt, he dominated him and KOed him, could have done it a little easier, but when you're dealing with a grappling, fouling little ***** of a fighter like Hatton and a confused ref, you work with what you can.

He dropped 1 round cleanly on inactivity, that's an A performance, anything stated otherwise is hater nonsense and you know how much I don't like Floyd.

Absolutley, but Pac won't beat any of those guys, probably won't even fight them, so it's a wash, he's going for the most money possible.

 

No doubt.

I generally go -

Supernatural
P4P elite
Elite
Good
Decent
Average
Poor
Can

 

If he destroys David Diaz and knocks him out in the 1st half of the fight then I'd consider it.

Otherwise we need to remember that it's just David Diaz.

 

Yeah, that's fine. Sounds less geeky anyway. I don't need people looking over my shoulder at work and seeing a bunch of A+'s, looks like I'm actually doing something important.

 

Fair enough. But like Morales, could this be the weight that is unatainable for Pacquaio? Could he be a little slower & his punches might not effect Diaz as much as Pac is used to? And being hit by a natural 135 pounder could hurt Pacquaio more than he is used to. If Diaz cannot feel the punches as much as previous Pac opponents. Diaz could get brave and this could turn into a very interesting bout.

 

Let us hope that Pac crumbles at the new weight, I'm personally tired of his 1 dimensional charade.

 

sorry, i'm not familiar with this place.

can you give an example for each one of these categories?

 

Yep, if he cannot hurt Diaz, he doesn't posses the boxing ability like Morales to move around and win a decision. Pac will have to try and bulldoze Diaz to earn the victory. If he cannot it will be a toe to toe slugfest.

 

Supernatural's are a special class of smooth, quick and punishing fighters that throw in well volume but present well schooled skills and solid defence(preferably great defence). Can't just be a quick slickster, it has to have flash(with cement holding it down)and they have to be punishing or the ability to really punish people and appear untouchable at their weight range.

Best example right now would be Cristian Mijares, Mayweather used to be before Welter, but is now a P4P elite. Note also that this is a special rating for a rare type of fighter and they are not necessarily better than their P4P elite counterparts.

P4P elite - Not on standing, but on skill and ability, this basically means 'top elite'. Mayweather, Calzaghe(formerly Supernatural), Marquez, Pac, Haye(200) etc.

Elite - Self explanatory, a top fighter of high skill and ability. Dawson, Kessler, Mosely, Cotto, Molitor etc.

Good - Self explanatory. A good, solid, contender level fighter that's trouble for most and can easily win titles.

Decent - Lower top 10 contender/fringer. Think of like David Diaz for example and Verno Phillips, Edison Miranda, Big time McCline.

Poor - Journeymen of all types. Now, they aren't 'poor' so to speak, some are ranked, but they make for very poor title defences when against the top fighters.

Can - Guys who aren't really much of boxers at all, show up to lose.

 

His 1 dimension is effective enough to bring him elite success, I just personally don't find him exciting(his opponents are the ones who make it exciting, look at his fights vs. lesser than tops, BORING)and I like varied offense and defence, not the same work over and over like he presents, even if it is effective.

I even like watching 2nd tier's like Linares more than Pac, because Linares gives me more punch variety and well schooled styling, but Linares of course lacks Pac's absurd speed and power intangibles, if he had them then he'd already be a top P4P'er.

 

Even if you think Pac lost, (which he didn't, but lets assume he did)

merely based on the style disadvantage Pac would need at least as good a performance as JMM just to come off with a relatively close loss

 

Here's some food for thought, they both presented stylistic problems. Marquez even showed vulnerabilities to Terdsak's quick southpaw style and that other phillipino. I think it's clear that Marquez stylistically is at his best dealing with both standard pressure guys and then playing the counter puncher and presser vs. other boxers.

Pac's awkward southpaw blazing style is very difficult for him, even with Pac being vulnerable to a counter puncher.

Marquez did not have a distinct style advantage over him just for being a counter puncher, Barrera is a great counter puncher, got his owned by Pac twice, once when he was younger and still top.

It's all different, relative. A slick counter puncher would be Pac's worst, but Marquez, while having good D, is still there to tag with his textbook style, a guy who draws him in and rolls with punches while throwing from odd angles would be the worst for Pac, not necessarily JMM's style.

JMM is just a better fighter H2H than Pac. Even though I pick a prime Morales over JMM and pick JMM prime to prime to defeat Barrera.

 

Thanks amsterdam. Very organized and well thought out.

You rate cruiser Haye ahead of Mosley and Cotto?

 

I agree yet every British poster lurking around these forums will never surrender that title as long as their boy Joe C is walking the earth stiffs or no stiffs not withstanding. Its akin to admiting that the Pakistani guy is a better batsman at cricket than your boy Holden and that maybe he, should represent the English side.

 

I completely disagree.

Pac is better than JMM any way you look at it