if Pacquiao stops Marquez p4p # 1 ?

IMHO, Pac isn't in the equation for a #1 ranking no matter how impressive he is against Marquez. Great fighter, but no way #1 P4P

 

I say yes because although he may not be as talented as Floyd, he has been fighting better guys over the last 4 years.

Marquez, Morales and MAB were all top 10 pfp guys when Pac beat them, of course that is saying he does in fact beat JMM.

 

How? How would he be placed in front of Calzaghe or Floyd? I like Pacman but I don't think you could give him that title yet even if he wins.

 

I can't see why not.

 

Calzaghe will have his shot at #1 when he fights Hppkins, but for now, Joe's resume is just a shade not good enough.

PFP isn't just based on talent.

Pac's resume far exceeds JC's.

 

Yes, if Calzaghe looses to Hopkins and Floyd does not fight Cotto or looses to Cotto. It would be a more impressive and harder fought win than Floyd's win over little Hatton.

 

I dont get where this Calzaghe is more talented than Pac. Whereas Calzaghes most impressive wins are UD over Lacy & Kessler, Pac anihilates MAB & Morales and if its the case that Pac wins on 15th, JMM too, on top of being a 4 division champ and 3 time lineal champ vs Calzaghes SMW reign.

Its no contest, even now.

 

I don't know...he' is solid at #2. But a win of JMM is very impressive to say the least and if he completely dominates he might share the #1 spot with Floyd.

Given PACs difficult resume that would scare the very best boxing has ever produced it's logical to give him the #1 spot if he dismantles Juan, but it's hard to move Floyd out of that spot given how well he's done with moving up in weight and still staying undefeated even if he's not fighting the kind of stiff comp that Pac does.

I'd say he'll stay at #2 if he wins and shares the #1 Spot with Floyd should he dominate impressively.

 

Either of the Marquez-PacMan and Hopkins-Calzaghe winner becomes P4P#1 on my card if the win is DOMINANT... and Calzaghe has the most chance IMO because he's not only a terrific fighter and a great talent... but he's the only one to match Floyd's undefeated record - and never came close to a defeat... but a dominant 12 round victory or a TKO needed, and no one has ever dominated Hopkins before... not even Jones... so being undefeated and bringing a surprise dominant victory... clear P4P#1 for me even if the other fight produces a dominant victory as well...

Floyd is inactive. He's fighting an old fighter whom he already defeated...

EVERYONE should consider a very dominant winner of the two fights P4P#1, maybe that's the best thing to get back Floyd in the ring against young and quality opposition... He was the best in 2007, no doubts... but proove that in 2008 and not against someone who's bringing 2,35 million PPVs but who's bringing 2,35x more danger for Floyd... that's Miguel Cotto...

 

Maybe its the '0' in calz record that puts him ahead of Pac in the P4P rankings.... Pac did beat MAB & Morales, but both were on the decline when he faced them... Calz reign on top has been 10 yrs or so, don't underappreciate that feat. Both are very impressive.

 

How the hell is Joe up there at #1 or #2?:rofl For beating Lacy and Kessler?

If the P4P rankings were on skill and talent level alone then YES...absolutely Joe would be up there but P4P includes who a boxer fights, the level of competition and how well one preforms.

Joe preformed well against Lacy and well against Kessler but no one thought either man really stood a chance against Joe.

The win was not only expected for joe in both the Lacy and Kessler fights but KNOWN what the outcome was going to be due to the vast experience, talent and skills.

Pac has beaten and faced guys that are on his level in terms of talent, skill ect....and his fights are more intriguing b/c he isn't fighting guys that no one knows or that he is expected to win handidly. Joe's problem is he doesn't challenge himself and enjoys fighting easy opponets so he can showcase his talent.

 

:good Honestly I don't see how anyone can miss this point!

 

Whoever wins by dominating the other, as long as one or the other hasn't faded should be recognised as p4p No. 1, I think. The winner, in a close fight, if both perform extremely well, might still be p4p No. 1, because the performance on offer was very high. If the performance from both is not the best and one wins a close fight, even if it is by stoppage, shouldn't be recognised as p4p No. 1, I think.

 

Experts following Kessler's career gave a hell of a chance for Mikkel to pull it off... even if everyone thought that Calzaghe will bring his A+ game... the Lacy-like performance... still Kessler looked like a perfect boxing machine with great power and most experts - not us the fans - still think that he beats everyone from 160 to 175 - including Hopkins, Dawson (chin problem), Pavlik, Wright, Miranda, Taylor etc... they, the experts say it, and AFTER Kessler's lost... that how good was Calzaghe's win over Kessler was... and it was a very clear decision, probably the best performance in last year...

I'm not a fan or fellow countryman of any of the two... I'm just agreeing with experts like Rafael, Steward...