If Parker beats Usyk is he automatically an all time great

Again, just curios....do you consider Norton an ATG?

1. Win over Ali (like we are assuming here Parker beats Usyk)
2. Embarrassing losses (Jose Luis Garcia...blown out by great punchers)
3. Thin wins otherwise but not completely so (Quarry, Young...)
3. Did not dominate the era

 

I remember that time Joyce smashed him to pieces and Joyce is bad. Zhang was an old man when he splattered Joyce all over the canvas twice like it was a walk to the noodle shop.
Then an even older Zhang almost splattered Parker too.
There was also that time an old Chisora beat Parker up and that was a really bad look.
He became champion against a fighter who'd never beaten anyone of note. Even Stiverne was a better opponent for a title win, he actually wrecked prime Arreola twice. Ruiz struggled with an ancient Arreola all those years later.
Btw, did Parker even land a single punch on young Hughie Fury? Because I remember Povetkin landed quite a few, so it's not impossible.
Then there was that AJ fight where he came to survive and not get KO'd, basically handed his title over to Matchroom.

But apart from all that, he's a pretty remarkable fighter.

 

Of course he wouldn't be ? And I'm surprised so many people are saying yes.

Just because you beat a great fighter that doesn't automatically make you a great.

Upsets have happened all the time throughout history.

Douglas vs Tyson
Sanders vs Wladimir
Spinks vs Ali
Rahman vs Lewis

Etc.

And none of those fighters above are considered ATGs for upsetting great fighters.

Parker is a good fighter but he's never been considered the man at any point in his career and he's lost to the likes of Joyce, Whyte, and was fortunate not to lose to Chisora the 1st time.

Don't get me wrong i like Parker and he seems like a nice chap with a likeable personality. And I give him all the credit for turning his career around after he looked finished after the Joyce loss.

But ATG ? Definitely not no even if he pulled off the upset vs Usyk.

If Parker beats Usyk and then cleans up the division with a few more notable wins over the likes of Kabayel, Itauma, etc. Then yes I would say he has a case.

But for just beating Usyk with his resume right now ? Definitely not no.

 

He's already got good back-up fights though, in Ruiz, Wilder, Bakole, Zhang, Chisora, and you can go 5-6 more down the list with fringe contenders.

 

ATG is the best of the best who are special fighters.

Parker is not special fighter in any metric in regards to H2H ability or resume.

Parker has had a grand total of 2 title defences and whilst those wins you mentioned are solid even with a win a upset win over Usyk he's not an ATG not even close.

 

So you would not consider Ken Norton, Joe Walcott and Max Schmeling ATG, for example?

 

I consider Norton to be very good not an ATG.

Walcott just falls short of being an ATG for me despite his resume being good he had too many losses and was a bit too inconsistent for me but he's not far off.

I don't know enough about Schmeling TBH to have a real opinion of him.

But for me Parker would have to do more than just beat Usyk to become an ATG. I consider Parker right now to be a good Heavyweight if he beat Usyk I would class him as very good on a similar rating to Norton.

If Parker beats Usyk and then adds a few more notable wins to his resume ? Then yeah I think he has a case for being considered a great.

 

Fair play. Actually exremely consistent.

 

McCall often struggled to beat journeymen and lost to them, without a doubt. Rahman couldn't beat or draw with Maskaev x2 or John Ruiz, let alone wipe the floor with them. But Parker would have no chance against these titans.

 

Parker has already proven that not only is he NOT an all time great, he is not even very good. He lost to Anthony Joshua and Dilian Whyte fair and square for Christ's sake.

 

I wouldn't call the Whyte loss fair and square, the first knockdown which concussed him was caused by a headbutt but still scored as a knockdown.

A different ref and he could have easily won that fight, or at least drew.

I think Joshua would have still won regardless, but the ref in that fight took away Parker's path to victory. Not that Parker put himself out there to really try and win it.

 

No not at all

 

Shouldve lost to Chisora too