If Pavlik beats BHOP impressively

**** no...his resume is weak

only name on there is jermain taylor, 2 if you count Edison Miranda....

 

3 if you count Zertuche

4 if you count Zuniga

5 if you count Bronco McKart

 

I think right after Haussler. You have to remember that he wanted to get Mundines belt - but he stepped down - and Sartison was put up for the vacant belt. Haussler is mandatory - but Kessler isn't happy about it, but what can he do, when he needs a belt to the big fights again - all the other belt holders have been running thus far.

Having said that I think that should Bute win over Andrade(which I don't think he will) he will fight Kessler. Maybe Taylor should he beat Lacy.

 

who would count them?....i personally wouldn't even call miranda a "name", but he's pretty popular so i mentioned him for that reason only

bottom line...you dont surpass calzaghe by fighting people like Gary Lockett then going to a fighter who's only won 2 of his last 5 fights

 

Hopkins has also won 2 of his last 3. And all 3 of his losses in his last 5 fights have been extremely close and somewhat controversial. Why you spinning things? And any hardcore fan recognizes the name Zertuche, Zuniga, and McKart

 

I don't think his prospects are that good and to be honest I am disappointed with his recent choices of opponents. If his next fight is against another c-level European club fighter, I fear he may turn into the next Zsolt Erdei.

Didn't he already beat Mundine? Why fight him again?

Should Bute beat Andrade that is the logical fight and I am crossing my fingers for it. Should Andrade win, Kessler shouldn't fight him again.

From what I gather, the Lacy v. Taylor winner is fighting the Froch v. Pascal winner.

 

Regardles of whether he surpasses Calzaghe in the p4p, he definitely moves up because right now B-hop is ranked #4. If Calzaghe loses to RJJ Pavlik would move above him, obviously.

 

When do you realize that neither Sartison nor Haussler were opponents of choice? WBA sets the rules, not Kessler. Calling Sartison a club fighter is pretty ignorant.

Mundine still had the WBA belt, since Kessler became superchamp and then Calzaghe. Bute has stated many times that he werent ready for Kessler. Froch and Inkin have gone nowhere for a long time. Kessler has beaten most of the top boxers at SMW, so who do/did you suggest, if he should have not gone for a belt? Miranda? ROFL.

Well, there were talks after the Calzaghe fight, between Palle and DiBella - but the latter thought that both needed some fights before rumbling - but who knows. If neither fights Kessler - then who is to blame? Kessler is top dog at SMW.

 

If Bute beats Andrade............he's the top dog at SMW.

 

How do you figure that? Bute has nowhere near the resume of Kessler, nor has he ever had more than one belt from beating Berrio - a guy who got it from vacancy. Nor has he faced the amount of champs or ex-champs that Kessler has.

If Bute wins - he has just beaten a guy that Kessler totally outboxed.

 

Why did he need the WBA strap? Why follow the rules? I am saying this from a career standpoint, not any diss on Kessler. He just looked fantastic in a losing effort against the best super middleweight of all time. He could have fought anyone. He could have challenged Pavlik, Hopkins, RJJ etc. Remember the praise Manny was heaping on Kessler during the fight with Calzaghe. If I were him, I would have opted for bigger fights rather than have the belt - a la Chad Dawson, by fighting Tarver instead of retaining the belt and fighting his mandatory. Now, regardless of what the sanctioning bodies say, people recognize he is the future of the lhw division. But, that is just me. Kessler wanted a belt, so be it. I am just bitter because I was a fan of his.

Are you trying to argue that Sartison is a top ten smw? I was being hyperbolic, but to say he was anything more than a tune-up is ignorant. Sartison had never fought anyone worth mentioning. Haussler is even worse - all for a belt?

Do you really want to see another fight with Mundine? Personally, I'd rather see Kessler fight Miranda.

I suggest Kessler fights Allen Green. Assuming the Taylor v. Lacy winner faces the Froch v. Pascal winner, Bute won't fight Kessler or loses to Andrade, Allen Green is the logical choice. He is ranked # 7 by Ring Magazine and # 10 in the WBA rankings.

 

Because there is a difference being a EURO fighter and a US based fighter. Euros can be easily dodged since USA have a hard time recognizing them.

Think about it - what would be the gain of fighting Kessler for Pavlik without doing it for a title? He is not even fighting Abraham, but an icon, and not even at his own division. That is how it can work, if you are a US based fighter.

It's simply too much risk vs reward. Had Kessler beaten Calzaghe, it would be a totally different game. Since he didn't he had to start by taking a few steps backwards - because his name is not big enough in the USA to just get big fights on name alone.

Mundine was ranked no. 3 at SMW. Miranda has done nothing other than beating Allen Green - and losing 3 of his big fights at MW. He has done absolutely nothing at SMW. Furthermore Mundine had since they met last beaten dangerous Green, and had improved his game. I still consider Mundine a very good fighter. Much better than Miranda.

I like Allen Green, but him losing to Miranda made his stock go down. Kessler wanted to get back on his feet and regain terrain, and did it by becoming WC once again. He tried to find a way out of Haussler, but the germans have alot of influence in Europe.

Fear not - we shall see good fights after Haussler - if not - then he should just goto USA and fight Americans, since it seem to do a world of difference.

Kessler called out Calzaghe for 3 years because Joe was top dog - we see no one call out they want to fight Kessler - why is that?

 

He doesn't over take him on my books, Calzaghe has acheived far far more. However it would line up a tantalizing fight for what would then be two highly ranked P4P fighters

 

i dont think he will beat b-hop,but if he do then no he shouldnt go above calz,question is should calz go no1 if pac loses pav loses and calz wins????
i think so,and dont give me why should pac come down losing to a bigger fighter because you were all happy to see hatton drop down when losing to larger pbf.
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No. Calzaghe's convincing win over Kessler would still hold enough water to keep him barely above Pavlik.