If Pavlik Is "average" Why Is There A Rematch Clause?

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  1. jsimps

    jsimps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, Pavlik will be 1-0-0 with a KO. After the rematch, he will be 2-0-0, with (2) KO's.
     
  2. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jermain said that Miranda was overrated in the Cory Spinks post-fight interview cause "Pantera" had been taken care of after having trashed him all the way up until then and Taylor emphasized later ( in the NYC presser) that Kelly was on the same seat he knew himself to be three years ago when Jermain was 25 years old, a top WBC contender and a middleweight promise against Bernard - surely "The Executioner" diminuished Taylor much more due to the DiBella sub-plot - I guess that Manny and Jermain have the right to enhance their superior top level experience, there's no disrespect here, actually the fight is billed as "Perfect Match" and that already tells a lot about mutual respect...
     
  3. Motor City Sam

    Motor City Sam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The re-match clause doesn't surprise me, as it's a very common thing when a champ puts his belt on the line.

    I'm with you 100%, though, on not understanding why a fighter would downgrade his opponent prior to the fight. If you beat a guy you called a bum, what credit do you get for that? And I don't think it gives you any advantage mentally. I doubt Kelly is sitting there thinking, "Wow, they called me a bum. It must be true. I have no chance."
     
  4. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    God, why the **** does anybody care what fighters and promoters say about fights? It's all a bunch of bull**** hype meant to bring in the WWE crowd. It's all buisness to these guys, and so what they say about it is a buisness decision. Period. **** the soap opera hype guys. Just watch the fights.
     
  5. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yep, and back to the rematch clause: you are correct that it's not rare for a champ to insert a rematch clause in the contract, but they are typically only inserted in the contract for opponents who are viewed as real threats as opposed to simple mandatory defenses against non-descript/obscure opposition.
     
  6. Brickhaus

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    He couldn't insist for a mandatory rematch clause because he was the mandatory. For a counterpoint, see N'dou, who had a rematch clause with Malinaggi that he's been trying to get DiBella to honor.

    The reason they don't get rematch clauses against far inferior fighters is that the promoter usually gets options on the opponent instead.
     
  7. bachatu

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    Because in Boxing, anything can happen. ref. Douglas vs Tyson or Rahman vs Lewis..
    in the case of Rahman vs Lewis, Lewis was smart enough to put in a remach clause and they had to take Rahman to court to get the rematch.
     
  8. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    This is true...it is really irrelevant what anyone says before a fight. In the end, fighters let their fists do the talking in the ring.
    How many times have we heard guys say "ive trained harder than ever before" and they run out of gas in the late rounds. "i feel the best ive ever felt" and they look like crap in the ring. "I will knock him out and thats a guarantee" and they dont get a knockout. It doesn't matter... in the end, punches speak louder than words.
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Denegrating your upcoming opponent as being below-par has always seemed moronic to me.
     
  10. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, but I think that some fighters no matter how hard they train just don't have good natural stamina and will always get tired down the stretch (ala De La Hoya). I have no doubt that De La Hoya trained as hard as he could for Tito, Hopkins, and Mayweather, but he just doesn't have great inherent stamina. You can only maximize your potential, you can't increase it.
     
  11. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Nothing abnormal here, he probably did have one with Spinks and Ouma as well. You guys are grasping at straws now.
     
  12. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    Yeah, but De La Hoya will say he feels great, even though he may be suffering from a heart attack. Look at the fight with Felix Sturm. He said he had prior to the fight he felt great coming into the fight just as he had said on all his other previous bouts. We all know he didn't take that fight and his training for that fight as serious when he had taken off his shirt.
     
  13. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You may be right, but my gut tells me he didn't.
     
  14. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not saying fighters don't bull**** going into a fight, I'm only speaking on the subject of stamina. It's pretty obvious he didn't train that hard for the Sturm fight, and should have lost the decision. When he does train hard he still gets tired down the stretch and it's because he doesn't have great natural stamina. He has enough natural stamina to last 12 rounds after having trained, but not enough to not get tired down the stretch.
     
  15. Thread Stealer

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    De La Hoya also is kind of tense when he fights. He's never really looked that relaxed in there, which helps you in not fatiguing as much.