If PBF and Canelo were the same size no one would even be talking about this fight

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    That's the God's honest truth. The biggest thing Canelo brings in this fight is size. Canelo doesn't have great stamina or even good stamina so the the youth part if overblown because it can only hurt him because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition not help him.

    What Canelo is a is a boxer puncher with suspect stamina fights in spurts has average power and slow feet. His handspeed is slightly above average and so is his head movement. IMO he's almost tailormade for PBF. People act as if he's some ATG aggressive pressure fighter with the ability impose his will on PBF great durability who can eat two shots to land one and fight for 3 minutes for every round this simply not the case. He's a boxer puncher that likes to take his time pick his spots where he likes to load up and throw power shots in combination. He does look to counter and outbox people at times but he's perfectly fine in being patient. He also gives up ground far too much for my liking.

    Now I think Canelo is smarter than most epople give him creidt for but he's simply too limited and flawed to beat PBF. For one he has to set his feet in order to get off that isn't good when facing PBF who will dart in and out on him pot shotting him all night. You also can't overlook the reach difference as well. PBF has the longer arms. Boxer punchers like Canelo don't fight like JLC what people are asking Canelo to do is fight out of his comfort zone, be something that he's not, which he's not used to doing and if he tries he will only tire himself out even faster. Canelo is going to try and outbox PBF which he will find that he's not quiet up to the task. He's fallen in love with his own hype and actually believes he's the better boxer here. He's sadly mistaken. I see no way Canelo wins this fight unless he gets PBF outta there in the first 3 rounds where PBF has shown that he can be troubled while still figuring things out. Or if PBF hurts his hand early in the fight.


    As you can see size is basically all Canelo is bringing to the table and if they were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about because PBF is so much more skilled and complete.
     
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  2. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's not necessarily true.

    Would people talk about JCC vs Floyd Mayweather?

    Also, you are underestimating his skills. His pressure is more intelligent than Cotto's because he doesn't get hit often, and he punches when his opponents least expect it.

    All of his punches, including his jab, are very accurate.

    Sure, size helps, but his skills pay the bills.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    JCC has a style that is better suited to beat PBF than Canelo does. Canelo isn't going to out box the boxer and that's exactly what he's going to try and do.:deal he's not a pressure fighter people need to stop trying to make him into one.
     
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  4. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah if they were the same size, he'd have no shot
     
  5. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But he is a pressure fighter. He can box too, but his primary style is to deliver pressure, but slowly.

    He does it similiarly to JCC in the sense that he gets close enough to you to make you uncomfortable, but far enough away that you can't land a clean shot.

    He also throws shots unexpectedly, which in turn, forces his opponents to throw shots to prevent him from throwing a shot, but he uses that as an opportunity to counter. He doesn't just cover up.

    That's intelligent pressure. He doesn't blindly walk into shots like Margarito or smother himself like Hatton.

    Oscar did the same thing against Floyd. He walked him down without throwing punches. Floyd responded by throwing more shots than he typically throws.
     
  6. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto has an A level resume. Who has canelo beaten besides trout? He has shown his frailties in that fight as well. His skills are good but Cotto has better skills. His size is what will help him win this fight.
     
  7. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's fine, and you can write an essay about why he's your hero, but if the Cotto that fought Mayweather fought Canelo, Cotto would get stopped.
     
  8. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Based on what? You were the one comparing cotto and canelo. Canelo's skills arent in that league. All he is has as an advantage in this fight is his BIG weight advantage.
     
  9. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    People are going to say I'm crazy, but I don't think the size/strength is going to be that much in Canelo's favor. Everyone thought Mosley was going to be the bigger/stronger man in the ring with Floyd also, and he wasn't. Same thing with Cotto. Both of those fights, if either fighter appeared the bigger/stronger fighter, it was Floyd.

    Floyd is deceivingly big and strong in the ring. He also has better positioning than anyone else on the inside, so he has the leverage and creates space to punch, when others can't.

    I was watching Canelo/Mosley again, and they were basically the same size in there with eachother.
     
  10. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree with you.

    Cotto is more hittable due to the positions he puts himself in, and his defense is more suspect.

    On top of that, I don't think his combination variation is as good as Canelo's either.

    I think Cotto is a good fighter, but I don't believe he's on the same level as Canelo.

    In fact, I think Canelo's jab is being highly underrated and will prove to be a great asset for him in this fight.
     
  11. KillEmAll

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    Canelo easily outpointed Trout and knocked him down - guess he didn't need size for that since Trout is bigger.
     
  12. TJ Max

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    I think Canelo is actually the bigger, stronger man this time, unlike Cotto, but his style isn't to smother his opponent and lean on them, utilizing his size.

    He wants to create space too, and he will step back to fire off his shots if necessary.

    That's why I think his size is being overblown. If anything his size might allow him to throw more powerful punches and sustain more punishment, but in so far as him using his strenght to move Floyd around the ring, I doubt that's the type of fight we're going to see.
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    PBF is much better than Trout not comparable. What advantages does Canelo have in this fight other than size? He will outweigh PBF by 20 pounds or more on fight night. PBF pretty much has him beat in all departments except power and size.:deal
     
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  14. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I would be shocked if that is Canelo's strategy too. (too bully Floyd). I think he's confident in his speed and power, and will be firing (or trying to) off quick, sharp combos behind a jab.
     
  15. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    He's really that much heavier than him on fight nights? That's insane. Canelo really fights at like 170?
    He just doesn't look that big to me. His legs must be massive. He's only like 5'8" I think.