If PBF and Canelo were the same size no one would even be talking about this fight

witschnerd1 · Sep 9, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

That's the God's honest truth. The biggest thing Canelo brings in this fight is size. Canelo doesn't have great stamina or even good stamina so the the youth part if overblown because it can only hurt him because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition not help him.

What Canelo is a is a boxer puncher with suspect stamina fights in spurts has average power and slow feet. His handspeed is slightly above average and so is his head movement. IMO he's almost tailormade for PBF. People act as if he's some ATG aggressive pressure fighter with the ability impose his will on PBF great durability who can eat two shots to land one and fight for 3 minutes for every round this simply not the case. He's a boxer puncher that likes to take his time pick his spots where he likes to load up and throw power shots in combination. He does look to counter and outbox people at times but he's perfectly fine in being patient. He also gives up ground far too much for my liking.

Now I think Canelo is smarter than most epople give him creidt for but he's simply too limited and flawed to beat PBF. For one he has to set his feet in order to get off that isn't good when facing PBF who will dart in and out on him pot shotting him all night. You also can't overlook the reach difference as well. PBF has the longer arms. Boxer punchers like Canelo don't fight like JLC what people are asking Canelo to do is fight out of his comfort zone, be something that he's not, which he's not used to doing and if he tries he will only tire himself out even faster. Canelo is going to try and outbox PBF which he will find that he's not quiet up to the task. He's fallen in love with his own hype and actually believes he's the better boxer here. He's sadly mistaken. I see no way Canelo wins this fight unless he gets PBF outta there in the first 3 rounds where PBF has shown that he can be troubled while still figuring things out. Or if PBF hurts his hand early in the fight.

As you can see size is basically all Canelo is bringing to the table and if they were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about because PBF is so much more skilled and complete.
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Great post all truth,I am shocked at how many people think Alvarez can win!atsch

Real-G · Sep 9, 2013

janeschicken said: ↑

LOL WUT? How many chromosomes do you have? Did you even read what you wrote there? :rofl:rofl

his only plus going into this fight is SIZE and strength, but otherwise you think he has enough tools to handle Floyd?

WHAT THE PHUCK DOES THAT STATEMENT EVEN MEAN?
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Oh look we have a genius :roll:

So you tell me, do you really think Red has enough tools in his belt to deal with floyd if they were the same size or better yet if Red was competing at 147?

Please enlighten me with your deep wisdom .

DigitalDopeman · Sep 9, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

PBF is much better than Trout not comparable. What advantages does Canelo have in this fight other than size? He will outweigh PBF by 20 pounds or more on fight night. PBF pretty much has him beat in all departments except power and size.:deal
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i read online that Canelos camp said his fight night weight wont be a problem and he will come in on fight night weighing about 164 lbs, thats the weight they are aiming for

Norbix · Sep 9, 2013

I don't think so. Canelo has skills that most fighters don't, like leg speed and ring intelligence. People talk about Canelo's fights regardless of who he's fighting though, so..

Pimp C · Sep 10, 2013

DigitalDopeman said: ↑

i read online that Canelos camp said his fight night weight wont be a problem and he will come in on fight night weighing about 164 lbs, thats the weight they are aiming for
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I'll have to see it to believe it. I think he will be closer to 170 personally.

TheJuggernaut · Sep 10, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

That's the God's honest truth. The biggest thing Canelo brings in this fight is size. Canelo doesn't have great stamina or even good stamina so the the youth part if overblown because it can only hurt him because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition not help him.

What Canelo is a is a boxer puncher with suspect stamina fights in spurts has average power and slow feet. His handspeed is slightly above average and so is his head movement. IMO he's almost tailormade for PBF. People act as if he's some ATG aggressive pressure fighter with the ability impose his will on PBF great durability who can eat two shots to land one and fight for 3 minutes for every round this simply not the case. He's a boxer puncher that likes to take his time pick his spots where he likes to load up and throw power shots in combination. He does look to counter and outbox people at times but he's perfectly fine in being patient. He also gives up ground far too much for my liking.

Now I think Canelo is smarter than most epople give him creidt for but he's simply too limited and flawed to beat PBF. For one he has to set his feet in order to get off that isn't good when facing PBF who will dart in and out on him pot shotting him all night. You also can't overlook the reach difference as well. PBF has the longer arms. Boxer punchers like Canelo don't fight like JLC what people are asking Canelo to do is fight out of his comfort zone, be something that he's not, which he's not used to doing and if he tries he will only tire himself out even faster. Canelo is going to try and outbox PBF which he will find that he's not quiet up to the task. He's fallen in love with his own hype and actually believes he's the better boxer here. He's sadly mistaken. I see no way Canelo wins this fight unless he gets PBF outta there in the first 3 rounds where PBF has shown that he can be troubled while still figuring things out. Or if PBF hurts his hand early in the fight.

As you can see size is basically all Canelo is bringing to the table and if they were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about because PBF is so much more skilled and complete.
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So if Floyd wins and people say "all Floyd did is beat an inexperienced, averaged boxer with **** stamana and slow speed who never had a chance of winning" you'd be cool and not complain that FLoyd doesnt get any credit right big homie?

Pimp C · Sep 10, 2013

TheJuggernaut said: ↑

So if Floyd wins and people say "all Floyd did is beat an inexperienced, averaged boxer with **** stamana and slow speed who never had a chance of winning" you'd be cool and not complain that FLoyd doesnt get any credit right big homie?
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I'm saying people are buying into the hype because of Canelo's size advantage. If both were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about. Still a dangerous fight because of that but that's the big draw that and he's got red hair and is Mexican. At the end of the day Canelo isn't anything special if he moves up to 160 I can name a number of guys who I would favor against him. He better stay at 154 where he still has the size to deal with most guys. Good fighter but not a P4P elite level fighter.

Scar · Sep 10, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

That's the God's honest truth. The biggest thing Canelo brings in this fight is size. Canelo doesn't have great stamina or even good stamina so the the youth part if overblown because it can only hurt him because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition not help him.

What Canelo is a is a boxer puncher with suspect stamina fights in spurts has average power and slow feet. His handspeed is slightly above average and so is his head movement. IMO he's almost tailormade for PBF. People act as if he's some ATG aggressive pressure fighter with the ability impose his will on PBF great durability who can eat two shots to land one and fight for 3 minutes for every round this simply not the case. He's a boxer puncher that likes to take his time pick his spots where he likes to load up and throw power shots in combination. He does look to counter and outbox people at times but he's perfectly fine in being patient. He also gives up ground far too much for my liking.

Now I think Canelo is smarter than most epople give him creidt for but he's simply too limited and flawed to beat PBF. For one he has to set his feet in order to get off that isn't good when facing PBF who will dart in and out on him pot shotting him all night. You also can't overlook the reach difference as well. PBF has the longer arms. Boxer punchers like Canelo don't fight like JLC what people are asking Canelo to do is fight out of his comfort zone, be something that he's not, which he's not used to doing and if he tries he will only tire himself out even faster. Canelo is going to try and outbox PBF which he will find that he's not quiet up to the task. He's fallen in love with his own hype and actually believes he's the better boxer here. He's sadly mistaken. I see no way Canelo wins this fight unless he gets PBF outta there in the first 3 rounds where PBF has shown that he can be troubled while still figuring things out. Or if PBF hurts his hand early in the fight.

As you can see size is basically all Canelo is bringing to the table and if they were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about because PBF is so much more skilled and complete.
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Age should also favor Alvarez.

TheJuggernaut · Sep 10, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

I'm saying people are buying into the hype because of Canelo's size advantage. If both were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about. Still a dangerous fight because of that but that's the big draw that and he's got red hair and is Mexican. At the end of the day Canelo isn't anything special if he moves up to 160 I can name a number of guys who I would favor against him. He better stay at 154 where he still has the size to deal with most guys. Good fighter but not a P4P elite level fighter.
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I definitely dont see him being elite but remember dude is only like 23. For his age hes great.
And im with you in that Canelo's size (ill throw power in there) is really the biggest factor in his favor as his skill level definitely aint on Mayweathers. Im actually surprised at how many people seem really confident that hes gonna beat Floyd, like I can see it being a pretty good close fight, maybe, but people seem seriously confident that not only will he win but by stoppage. Cant see that happening at all, and while I still think Floyd is gonna win to me its still the best fight I can realistically see being made for him right now and im glad he took it (forced by showtime or not, lol), and if he wins ill have nothing bad to say about it. (Unless Canelo seems seriously affected by the weight loss)
And I say that as a dude who dont like Floyd at all, lol

Pimp C · Sep 10, 2013

Scar said: ↑

Age should also favor Alvarez.
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If he was young guy full of energy that could fight 3 minutes of each round for a full 12 it could help balance it out but he's not. So his youth will only serve as a liability because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition. PBF has not yet shown any stamina issues and hasn't faded. He will get a lesson in the sweet science in this fight.

Pimp C · Sep 10, 2013

TheJuggernaut said: ↑

I definitely dont see him being elite but remember dude is only like 23. For his age hes great.
And im with you in that Canelo's size (ill throw power in there) is really the biggest factor in his favor as his skill level definitely aint on Mayweathers. Im actually surprised at how many people seem really confident that hes gonna beat Floyd, like I can see it being a pretty good close fight, maybe, but people seem seriously confident that not only will he win but by stoppage. Cant see that happening at all, and while I still think Floyd is gonna win to me its still the best fight I can realistically see being made for him right now and im glad he took it (forced by showtime or not, lol), and if he wins ill have nothing bad to say about it. (Unless Canelo seems seriously affected by the weight loss)
And I say that as a dude who dont like Floyd at all, lol
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:good Good post!

Scar · Sep 10, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

If he was young guy full of energy that could fight 3 minutes of each round for a full 12 it could help balance it out but he's not. So his youth will only serve as a liability because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition. PBF has not yet shown any stamina issues and hasn't faded. He will get a lesson in the sweet science in this fight.
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Spot on. However, with age I'm referring to Alvarez being fresh and hasn't exchanged often with top level opposition yet. He will be able to take punches fine at this early stage of his career and take more risks in the ring than he could afford if he was older. Mayweather though has had enough injuries and took punches from top level opposition. While I do agree and know that age is only a number depending on how abused your body is in the long run.

Pimp C · Sep 10, 2013

Scar said: ↑

Spot on. However, with age I'm referring to Alvarez being fresh and hasn't exchanged often with top level opposition yet. He will be able to take punches fine at this early stage of his career and take more risks in the ring than he could afford if he was older. Mayweather though has had enough injuries and took punches from top level opposition. While I do agree and know that age is only a number depending on how abused your body is in the long run.
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Okay I see your point about him being the fresher fighter. I agree.

Xerant · Sep 10, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

That's the God's honest truth. The biggest thing Canelo brings in this fight is size. Canelo doesn't have great stamina or even good stamina so the the youth part if overblown because it can only hurt him because of his lack of experience with elite level opposition not help him.

What Canelo is a is a boxer puncher with suspect stamina fights in spurts has average power and slow feet. His handspeed is slightly above average and so is his head movement. IMO he's almost tailormade for PBF. People act as if he's some ATG aggressive pressure fighter with the ability impose his will on PBF great durability who can eat two shots to land one and fight for 3 minutes for every round this simply not the case. He's a boxer puncher that likes to take his time pick his spots where he likes to load up and throw power shots in combination. He does look to counter and outbox people at times but he's perfectly fine in being patient. He also gives up ground far too much for my liking.

Now I think Canelo is smarter than most epople give him creidt for but he's simply too limited and flawed to beat PBF. For one he has to set his feet in order to get off that isn't good when facing PBF who will dart in and out on him pot shotting him all night. You also can't overlook the reach difference as well. PBF has the longer arms. Boxer punchers like Canelo don't fight like JLC what people are asking Canelo to do is fight out of his comfort zone, be something that he's not, which he's not used to doing and if he tries he will only tire himself out even faster. Canelo is going to try and outbox PBF which he will find that he's not quiet up to the task. He's fallen in love with his own hype and actually believes he's the better boxer here. He's sadly mistaken. I see no way Canelo wins this fight unless he gets PBF outta there in the first 3 rounds where PBF has shown that he can be troubled while still figuring things out. Or if PBF hurts his hand early in the fight.

As you can see size is basically all Canelo is bringing to the table and if they were the same size it wouldn't even be worth talking about because PBF is so much more skilled and complete.
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Stop ****ing with floyds ppv sale

tarugojones · Sep 10, 2013

Floyd/Guerrero fight did not sell well, that's why Floyd is fighting Canelo this coming Saturday.:deal

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