**If PBF never fights Cotto....what you think of his claim..he is the best...?

I'm talking about his team calling Floyd's and starting negotiations. No it wasn't more professional than the way Margarito called him out but I repeated and will do so for the 10th time now for you, when Margarito called him out Floyd WASN'T the undisputed champion and had that title in mind, therefore Margarito and his offer got replaced by a far better one(The undisputed title and the same amount of money from Baldomir). Pretty simple.

 

Good man.

Anyways, I'm tired of this debate. I try to be middle of the road with Floyd but I am convinced he isn't acting the way he should act as the P4P #1.

 

Fair enough and that's your opinion, doesn't mean you're forced to agree. :good

 

When Margarito beats Cotto that fight will no longer be worthless and infact in terms of money your right no fight will be worthey Floyd will beg Oscar to come out of retirement and fight him a 4th time before he fights anybody else becuase Floyd is about making money and telling lies such as him being the best.
Knowing that the system has a flaw in it that somehow most of the idiot fans bought into ie: that ****ed up Ring Magazine champion BS you have to lose the title in the ring bull****, in the mean while Floyd gets to pick and chose who he wants to fight with out a mandotory defense ever in his career, thats right Floyd has never fought a mandotory.
Now the winner of Cotto Margarito will be the best welter and if Floyd doesnt fight the winner with in a year, Floyd will not be considered the champ Bank on that the media is getting sick of this guy.
so be prepaired to open your ring magazine ratings next year and see either Cotto or Margarito as the champ.

 

Is that what you think Margarito was trying to do? Make himself more popular Scar? :huh Isn't that precisley why Mayweather fought Gatti, DLH and Hatton?

If Margarito was just LOOKING TO BE MORE POPULAR why would he have gone to fight Williams when his fight with Cotto was almost a done deal last summer. That's not what guys who want to be popular do, fight lesser known guys.

Why would I say Mayorga/Spinks/DLH/Mosley/Forrest all ducked him? Were all those guys offered fights too? Well, Winky was, but declined. Mosley was simply ASKED about Margarito and HE SAID he wasn't ready yet. That is not ducking, that's being honest.

BTW...it's NOT common sense to ask that question scar. It was loaded and very obvious. And the rest of what you said, while makes sense, it pretty irrelevent to the topic.

However, I would like to know why you didn't delve into my position about Mayweather and the legitimacy of his belt @ 147. How big of a win was it Scar? Was it a major win? Is it a defining win? Was beating Baldomir better then beating Corrales? Or beating Castillo? Hell..was it even bigger then beating Emmanuel Agustus? :huh For all Floyd's talk about legacy, he is NOT doing anything to enhance it. As for money? He's turned down career high paydays when there were no other fights. THat's not my OPINION, those were FACTS at the time Arum was trying to make the fight. And the more he and Ellerbe keep saying the same thing over and over, which contradicts **** they've already tried, it just makes them both look bad.

 

Scar I am not thick, I understand your arguement.

My issue is that if you wan't to make an arguement for anything, it can be made, even if not the correct or true arguement. Margo calls Floyd out, but doens't have the belt or recognition that Baldo has so its ok for Floyd not to fight him. Cotto has the recognition but doesn't call him out, so its ok for Floyd not to fight him. If thats not enough, you argue its not a "big money" fight. There is simply always an out for Floyd in your mind.

Until Cotto beats Margo, and Floyd refuses to fight him, I can't prove he is ducking him. Likewise, you can't really prove that Floyd would have fought Margo if he hadn't had gone after the Baldo belt. You have evidence to say it was so, because Baldo was the title holder and Floyd made good money, I give you that. But it could easily be argued that this represented the high reward, lower risk scenario Floyd is trying to corner these days.

Nobody will truly know Floyd's intention on fighting the best at welter until Cotto beats Margo, or vice-versa, and then calls him out on television and follows with an offer. Until then, its my true heartfelt feeling that he isn't out to fight the best anymore, and its yours that he is.

Thats all I really have to say. Good day.

 

I don't think anyone can honestly say right now, or since entering 147, Mayweather has looked to fight the best WW. A title doesn't necissarily make you the best. The buys who are the best, and proved it, are the ones who are defeating the other WW's. At leat that's how I see it.

 

Come on, you can't be serious. You honestly believe that a fight with Hatton was for popularity rather than a fight called for since Hatton/Tszyu?, it's a fighter everyone wanted to see and a fight I've had as #1 on the wish list for TOO long. A fight with DLH could be considered that but also a 5th title in his 5th division, so it's not only that. A fight with Gatti was the only fight he was able to pull off, did Cotto accept to fight him there?, did Hatton accept?. Margarito went against Williams simply because Williams went after him, last I checked it was Williams who was LOOKING for that fight and became the #1 contender to guarantee it, why didn't Margarito do the same for the undisputed title or at least unification considering he was in that division all his career?

Mosley was asked years after he lost the undisputed title, was he asked when the title was with him?, what about DLH/Forrest/Mayorga/Spinks?, were they asked?, I never heard any of those were contacted professionaly by their teams to call for it?, I mean come on Margarito has been there all his career does it make sense that all those guys ducked him and he was never able to reach the undisputed title or even attempt to unify like the rest did?

Yes you are right, a win over Baldomir is hardly big but to be honest(and no I don't really dislike Margarito if you think I do and my posts about him in threads that don't have Mayweather related aren't all negative if you looked) do you think that a win over Margarito would've been FAR bigger?, you think he'll get a lot of credit for it?. You really can't deny that half the people will instantly say after the decision is out "Oh, we all knew it, he was all hype..etc" and where does he get credit exactly?, he gets none and a worthless WBO title to boot. I mean yes a win over Margarito will give him more credit than a win over Baldomir but not far bigger, if anything Baldomir has been undefeated in the division for 7 years as well and in the end he, of all people, was able to get a shot at the undisputed title. It wasn't just a worthless tune-up as far as I remember he was also his mandatory, not just some unknown they hand-picked who Judah had to fight. Let's face it, both fights guaranteed 8 million, a win over Margarito gives him a WBO title he doesn't really care about(in all honesty) and a decent amount of credit or should he go for 8 million, the undisputed title and pathetic amount of credit. I remember you openly say when Floyd was rumored to move up and fight Spinks at 154, you said it loud and clear "Isn't he ducking the lineal champion then?!, he hasn't done ANYTHING in that division!!". The answer is simple and it's Baldomir, if he fought Margarito and wins then he's forced to fight Baldomir sooner or later, if he fights Baldomir then he secures the lineal title and moves up to fight DLH and move back for fights whilst knowing that someone half decent will move up and take out Margarito(Paul Williams?). If Margarito has done something really huge and worth bragging about then yeah I'll shut the hell up as I WILL for a Cotto fight if it doesn't happen and Cotto's undefeated record both at Welterweight and Light Welterweight are doing him wonders as Floyd's undefeated record is. Honestly in terms of accomplishment we can't really brag about Margarito unless calling Floyd out is an accomplishment then sure we'll have a discussion. You're definitely right though, Margarito is a good fighter who deserves big fights, hell I'll be rooting for him from the heart against Cotto even though I feel he'll lose but sometimes things are looked at in many different ways which you might not agree with but others will, that's how it goes I guess. If Cotto wins against Marg and that fight isn't set then add me to the list of people who will criticise because that's exactly what I'll do, even if it was Margarito.

 

That's what I agree with as well, if the winner of that fight is out and Floyd doesn't fight him then yes he is ducking that fighter. As far as bringing stuff up I'm just bringing up facts and explained exactly the Margarito situation and Cotto situation. If Floyd fought Cotto instead of Hatton the we'll have a discussion right now about how it's okay NOT to fight Hatton and it'll keep going because when someone wants to question another person he'll just do it in whatever way he wants. Fact is, which many don't seem to understand, is that Floyd is 1 person, he's not 10, he can't take/focus on 50,000 fighters in a single year simply because he's a human being like me and you.

 

Oh if Margarito beats Cotto then it sure as hell won't be worthless and I'll be criticising Floyd if he doesn't take it, I assure you that.

 

scar don't come with the revisionist history. floydid not choose between the two offers, because they were not on the table at the same time. margarito's offer was on the table until they got tired of waiting and signed to fight clottey. then pbf looked to make a fight with spinks, then after that did not materializr did he sign the fight with baldomir.

just because you floyd fans try to spin it does not make it true

 

Yes he did choose between the two offers, before the fight with Judah Floyd actually called out Baldomir but was turned down because Baldomir wanted to fight Gatti and Floyd fought Zab instead then the Baldomir fight was offered and he took it. As far as Margarito waiting, during the time Floyd was negotiating a fight with Baldomir, which didn't go well he was thinking about going to Light Middleweight for Spinks' title and 5th weight division title for him(far better in terms of accomplishments than a win over Margarito for the WBOgus) then the Baldomir negotiations went well and it happened. Hardly ducking for no reason there.

 

Floyd is still the best of this generation ... he's done something that doesn't compare to Cotto and I don't think active yrs as a pro needs to be defined by one fight.