IF peter beats vitali.........................

I want to see this match. While Williams might not hit has hard or take it as well as Peter, he was as game as they came in that match.

Peter will need to land a lot on Vitlai to win. Vitlai can be hard to hit. Just ask Johnson, Sanders, or Williams who missed badly. The longer the fight goes, the better for Vitlai. I think Peter best chance is early. If Vitlai gets in a rythm, its over for Peter.

If Vitlai is 75% of what he was, he is going to win this match.

 

I agree on most of your post, though you are judging Vitali's reflexes by what he did nearly 4 years ago, speed, timing, and reflexes are some of the first things to go. We all remember how bad Tysons timing was when he got back in the ring after 3 and a half years away from the ring, and Vitali is nowhere near the skill set of a Mike Tyson.

Vitali at 75% will make the fight competitive, but I would still put my money on Peter if I had make the choice. I do see this one being one hell of a slugfest, similar to the Sanders/Vitali fight, this match is not going 12 IMO.

 

Vitali's reflexes are fine based on the gym clips I saw a year ago. In fact he looked sharp. While Vitlai might not be as fast as he was 4 years ago, I do not expect to see a major drop off in speed. Vitlai thinks fast in the ring, and knows how to use his height to avoid punches.

Tyson's skill set were off long before he meet Lewis. And Mike had just one good round in him. I have to think Vitlai has a lot more than that, otherwise he would not come back.

Here is the real deal. Assuming the match reaches round 5, I think Peter simply will not have the stamina to throw the amount of punches he needs to win. Vitlai does not box to win like Wlad does, he is more likely to counter, and trade. Peter is not a counter puncher, nor is he a good fighter in the center of the ring, which is where Vitlai and his long jab and right will be. In addition, Vitlai has an uppercut which is a punch Peter does not seem to know how to block or see it coming and throws more hooks.

 

I seen Tyson gym clips from a couple years ago as well, he looked like he still had skill set needed to beat anyone in the division at the time, yet lost to Williams a couple weeks later. It's a whole different ball game once you step in the ring again, and Yes, Peter will catch Vitali with something big, I just question how well Vitali can take it, since he hasnt felt a big punch since Sanders.

I think if it goes past 6, Peter could be in trouble, especially if he comes it around 252 again. If comes in at about 245 or lower, he might be alright. I think the fight itself could go many different ways, based on many factors. If I was forced to make a perdiction, I would say Peter by 5th round TKO, they both are not afraid to let there hands go, and toe to toe action seems to be in the forecast, I cant wait to see it.:yep

 

Something major to consider is that the present (or future) Vitali is an unknown. It's been so long and with so many injuries and he's getting old.


We don't really know till we see him in action. It's possible that he's completely shot or that he's near what he was (less likely).

IF the 2003 version of Vitali faced the 2008 version of Peter, I wouldn't expect Peter to survive more than 2 or 3 rounds.

But that is a bif IF and we'll have to wait and see what Vitali shows up.

If Peter wins, he certainly deserves all due praise and respect.

Glen Johnson got accolades for beating a shot Roy.

Evander keeps getting mentioned for his victories over geriatric versions of Holmes and Foreman. (Prime versions would have schooled him and euthanized him, respectively.)

So why shouldn't Sam get kudos for retiring Vitali ?

 

It will, and Peter will be reduced to a what did we see in this guy, type fighter after Vitali hammers him as he did Danny Williams.

Even inactive, Vitali is too big, too strong, too skilled, and has too long a reach advantage for the slow, plodding, and limited, Peter to deal with.

I venture to say Peter won't land but very few shots in this fight. Vitali's lean back defensive style will totally negate Peter's offensive moves forward.

Peter will get the hell beat out of him, and this will be a case where the beating diminishes his career, from here on out. Peter will never be the same after this fight.

A beating of the brutal variety is coming his way, and his chin and ability to take a decent shot will be what prolongs his punishment and humiliation.

I see alot of swelling and blood, and the doctor never getting very far from Peter's corner, as he'll be needed to check Peter's ability to continue between each round, from about round 4 on. But I think even Peter will finally fall and be knocked OUT by mid to late rounds. Even a good chin can take only so many of those brutal shots, like Vitali can throw.

Count on it. :good

 

:roll: Your delusional my friend, it's not 2004 anymore Heavy, Vitali will not even be close to the same fighter he once was, the injuries, inactivity, getting older, you must factor all this in. Peter is a young bull, not the most skilled, but still a tough fight for anyone in the division, his power and good chin will be a big reason as to why he will win come fight night.

Vitali's best win is against Corrie Sanders, Journeymen golfer. Who's claim to fame is exposing Wlads glass chin, before that he was getting laid out by the likes of Rahman and Tubbs. We could say Kirk Johnson, but he's no better, I cant even recall a good win he had, can you? He was fat and outshape when fought Vitali anyway, so he wasnt that special either.

It will be a slugfest, both men will get rocked, maybe dropped early on, but the fight will get stopped by mid rounds, Peter by 6 round TKO.

 

Peter gets no props from me for beating Vitali unless Vitali takes a tuneup fight first

 

:yep I agree, Peters overhand right will be an effective tool against the awkward fighting Vitali. I just cant wait to sport the avatar of Vitali lying on his back, while Peter stands over him in victory.

 

IMO, one of BHops best performances was his loss to Roy.

In a similar vein, I believe Vitali's best performance was his loss to Lewis.

Obviously he lost (and IMO, would have lost with that cut, regardless of the stoppage), but he did well agains a (IMO) top 5 alltime heavywt.

Sam peter has never been in with competition of that level.

Corrie Sanders was better than Peter.

So was Herbie Hyde.



Prime for prime, Sam/Vitali isn't even competitive. I've seen nothing in Sam's repetoire or resume to impress. He's a likeable dude who's moved to the promised land and done well for himself.

But he's not anyone who would cause a prime Vitali to break a sweat.


And most of my post dealt with Sam.

Would I give him credit and respect if he pulled this off.

Definitely !

 

I have a little difficulty giving respect to anyone classless enough to jump around beating his chest like an ape and yelling "WHO NEXT?" over and over again after he wins. You dont see either Klitschko doing that.

 

I'm not sure if Sanders, Hide, or Johnson is his best win. Vitali's dominance does not revolve around one great opponent.

It revolves around never being behind on any scorecard after round three, the highest Knockout percentage in the history of heavyweight, and was never floored by a punch. If Vitlai can come back and win a title after injury and a few years off at age 37, it will be very impressive.

75% of what Vitlai was is enough for Peter.