If Prime Foreman Faced Every Champ Before Him..?

Johnson was 208lbs when he fought Jeffries.

That is not an enormous weight difference.

 

Lovely picture that.

 

this is where you got to be analytical ,did jack johnson walk up and clinch ,no he threw punches and clinched off of them , will foreman try to push someone when they step with a punch hes gonna get hit if he does that , also Jack feints A LOT with BOTH hands . He also backs off then gets close and backs off then gets close then boom wait he went in this time he didnt step back. He plays with the distance (jack johnson) once jack gets that bicep control foreman is stuck there , its not a matter of strenght its a matter of position , you can be strong as all hell but its really hard to punch when you are biceps are controlled. Also what fights show Foremans inside prowess ,what yall usually think is inside fighting is two boxers fighting forehead to forehead in a high guard, Johnsons brand of infighting is tying up and fighting from there . Not forehead to forehead high guard brawling.

 

I didn't say it was an "enormous" difference.

The poster I was responding to claimed it would be "all over" once Johnson clinched Foreman. Which is a strange statement to make since nobody ever overpowered Foreman in the clinches, let alone a man 15 lbs lighter than him.

If anyone was making hyperbolic statements it was him.

 

I am not judging you here, I just ask you to consider that Johnson was himself an exceptionally strong man.

 

Foreman would feint a lot too. He would hold both hands out and catch his opponents punches then would throw parry whatever came at him. With his longer arms this helped neutralize a speed advantage because he could feel out and detect how close his opponent's fists were to him. Then he would parry and drive his jab or right hand down the middle.

As I explained to 70's fan, darting in and out with your hands down and your heels on the ground is asking to get clipped. He is going to get caught at some point doing that.

As for the bicep control, if Johnson reaches his hands out to grab a bicep his chin would be wide open for an uppercut.

Foreman threw very brutal body shots on the inside.

 

I thought I acknowledged that in an earlier post. Not once was I suggesting Johnson would get rag dolled. I even said if he doesn't get KO'd in the first 6 the fight would be very competitive and interesting.

All I'm saying is if you fight fire with fire and try to wrestle a man 15-20 lbs heavier on the inside you're going to have to fight the perfect fight or you're in for a rough night.

 

Peralta put on an excellent performance based on Foreman's track record at the time. Peralta was the only victim of Foreman's to go the distance with him in his first career.

He was also only one of two (along with Joe Frazier) to answer the bell for round 5 without having been dropped.

 

lol

 

Foreman did his work on guys who high guards and shell up Johnson isnt doing any of that . Also no Foreman who isnt some accurate counter puncher is gonna clip Jack johnson on the way in, first we have footage of guys who never been knocked out darting in and out (mcfarland , Mike gibbons ,Tunney etc) Johnson never was hit on film doing that. The problem is once again viewing things through a MODERN LENS (always is the problem) yes if you do not feint if you do not disguise when you are going in then yes you can get it , but instead of assume boxers were too dumb or unskilled to hit boxers who darted in and out with hands down(hands down are better they allow you to punch in the clinches and not just block) ask yourself how were they able to get away with it (hint it wasnt speed it was feinting and timing) The fight would go as follows with Johnson and Foreman , Johnson would leap in and out and tie up foreman hitting him in the clinch, Foreman who was never ever a sharp counter puncher isnt going to step back and clip Johnson, who was too skilled for the caveman foreman.

 

I have a hard time deciding on whether Johnson or Foreman would win.

One thing I wanted to mention...Holyfield was at times very much a darting in and out fighter, and he got seriously rocked by Foreman on three, quite memorable, occasions. And this was an old Foreman. I am undecided as to whether either Jack or Holy could beat a prime Foreman...I think Johnson could take the flush shots, but not entirely sure Holy could.

Holy got out of trouble because George was older and far slower...prime George wouldn't stop there, he was too good at cutting off the ring, and guys like him, Liston, and Tyson might have been the greatest finishers in heavy history.

 

prime foreman finishes holyfield and I will watch that fight, From what i have seen prime George or young George was not a counter puncher at all.

 

IMHO...champions before before Foreman first became champion...

Foreman beats: Sullivan, Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Hart, Burns, Willard, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmeling, Sharkey, Carnera, Baer, Braddock, Marciano, Patterson. Johansson. Liston, Frazier.

Foreman loses to: Johnson, Louis, Charles, Walcott, Ali.

Styles cause some of this. In some cases Foreman can overcome stylistic disadvantages. Walcott and Charles are close calls. (I wouldn't bet on either.)

 

lol at you accusing someone of being biased.

You're an agenda driven tool.

 

You know my friend if Holyfield can outbox Prime Foreman if he wanted to, but at one point he will try to get inside and outslug George and this will be a deadly mistake. He will get starched after exchanging with Prime Foreman in 7-8 rounds.