If prime Lupe Pintor was around today he'd be #1 P4P

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Discuss with reference to the outstanding level of the game today :good
     
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  2. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i don't know about no 1 but I would definitely say at least top 5. A vastly underated fighter and I think he suffers in his all time rating as does Jeff Chandler by them two not getting together. He's also remembered for his loss at super bantam against all time great Wilfredo Gomez which was an all out war against an undisputed all time great, as far as I'm concerned. He' s not given credit for the win over Carlos Zarate either, controversial as it might of been. Zarate probably rated in most peoples top 5 of bantams. Won the super bantam title when past his best.
     
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the Pintor that fought Wilfredo Gomez would stop both Israel Vasquez and Rafael Marquez without too many problems.

    Goes without saying he mops the floor with anyone at 118. If Mijares moved up to face him there he'd be beaten.

    Perhaps Pac would still be no.1, but I think at his best Lupe is at least as good as JMM, and I'd pick Lupe to thump Pac when he was crossing 118 and to beat him clearly at 122.
     
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  4. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with that. Where do you put him in todays top 5 ?
     
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  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A prime Pintor would probably be no.1.

    Pac and Marquez are both past their absolute best and Hopkins and Calzaghe are fossilized.

    He's clearly better than the likes of Margarito and Cotto and as has been said, I think he takes Vasquez and Marquez.

    Of course it would depend on what Pintor had accomplished.

    If say he had comfortably beaten the likes of Mijares, Vasquez and R. Marquez, (which I think he would) I'd say he'd sit as my no.1 today.

    Of course, the (thinly-veiled) message that I'm trying to impart in this thread is that a fighter like Lupe Pintor, who never really entered a p4p list of his time, is as good as anyone today, and that ultimately, this speaks of the decline in boxing, which many, don't want to admit.
     
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  6. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you could be right.
     
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's a fantastic compilation of pin point punching. Pintor was murder with the left hooks and uppercuts when he had a guy hurt. :good
     
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  9. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Pintor would have too much skill for just about any bantamweight today, he'd be a title holder for a LONG time in this era.
     
    heehoo, Sep 19, 2008
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    Pintor was a superb fighter, as was Chandler. It says a lot of their era that they were overshadowed substancially among fellow champions. At the same time we had Gomez, Sanchez, Arguello, Pryor, SRL, Hearns, Benitez, Duran, Hagler, Spinks, Holmes etc - Jeeeeeesus.
     
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  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yup, those names speak for themselves. I don't think anyone that today populates a top ten p4p list would be there if the list included such figures.
     
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  12. Raging B(_)LL

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    I agree wholeheartedly with your assesment of Pintor S_S and the state of the game today. I am still amazed at how so many think that boxing has evolved and is actually more competitive today when all the evidence speaks to the contrary.
     
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  13. TommyV

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    He wipes the floor with everybody at 118, most if not everybody at 122, and probably the majority again if not all of 126.
     
    TommyV, Sep 20, 2008
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  14. Jack

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    He'd probably beat Marquez at 122, but from what I've seen of both, I'd back Marquez to stop him at 118. he beats everyone else around those weightclasses though. Vazquez would give him a tough fight, but lose eventually.

    I'm not really a fan of these threads though, because there is always a bias shown towards the retired fighter. Whether that's right or wrong, I don't know, but there is.
     
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  15. Mantequilla

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    Davila would be really high up the P4P rankings as well were he around today.

    I might have to watch his rematch with Pintor again actually.What a fight!.
     
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