If prime Lupe Pintor was around today he'd be #1 P4P

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  1. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    in this case i have to agree with you,people talking like Marquez and Vazquez are just average fighters and Pintor some kind of a boxing genius.
    Pintor was very good but saying he would beat Vazquez and Marquez with ease is ridiculous.
     
    bladerunner, Sep 20, 2008
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  2. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dunno man, The sixties through to the eighties were the golden period below feather.

    Since then it's dropped off pretty damn bad, with the likes of Calderon being considered possibly P4P.

    Marquez though a decent solid fighter would have been hard pressed to win a world title back then and it aint nostalgia.

    The real talent in recent years at Bantam was Sahaprom imo.Much better skills(and a hard hitter) than any of the higher profile american based fighters like Austin or Marquez.
     
    Mantequilla, Sep 20, 2008
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What difficulties will Pintor have with them? He is tougher than both by far and if he gets them into a slug fest, which he will, he will mow them down.

    Seriously watch Pintor-Gomez and the Vasquez-Marquez fights and tell me that it will be competitive.
     
    sweet_scientist, Sep 20, 2008
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  4. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Lets not forget all of a sudden that Izzy`s defense is almost completely non-existant and that he bleeds at the drop of a hat and that Marquez has a fragile chin and a leaky defense as well, neither of which bodes well for them against someone of Pintor`s pedigree.
     
    Raging B(_)LL, Sep 20, 2008
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  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Did Jack just say he would favor Marquez over anybody at 118? All time? Pintor is pretty much the perfect fighter to blast him out, considering his performances against Vasquez.
     
    Sweet Pea, Sep 21, 2008
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Pacquiao would still be number one. Why is he past his prime? He arguably just put in his best most convincing performance at a still higher weight.
     
    McGrain, Sep 21, 2008
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  7. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    To be frank, in literal terms I thought Pintor at his best was on a similar level to a young Chavez. Very underrated.
     
    Sweet Pea, Sep 21, 2008
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His speed and activity levels are not the same since leaving 126 imo. He has become a little more refined since then and can box a little better, but that does not mean he is a better fighter. His speed and activity are what made him a demonic fighter.
     
    sweet_scientist, Sep 21, 2008
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I agree, but in the days you are talking about he was basically one handed. Of course he is a better fighter now! He uses two hands to hurt an opponent, he has more than one way to win a fight, you don't look more impressive whilst moving UP in weight, taking on bigger men unless you are improving. Pac is a much better fighter than he was at 122. His activity levels were not maintainable whilst employing the fight plans he is currently using. Which are vastly superior.
     
    McGrain, Sep 21, 2008
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  10. Matienza

    Matienza New Member Full Member

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    I think someone like Hasegawa can actually beat Pintor. Inconsistent career he had.
     
    Matienza, Sep 21, 2008
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  11. The dipper

    The dipper Member Full Member

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    Lupe Pinter had a war with Johnny Owen

    Lupe Pinter was a great fighter and could own the show in 2008
     
    The dipper, Sep 21, 2008
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  12. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, if you were going to trouble Pintor, you were doing it through skill, rather than will. Of today's bantamweights/super featherweights, I think Hasegawa and Molitor would give Pintor better fights than Izzy and Marquez, given their abilty to get drawn into the trenches.
     
    Drew101, Sep 21, 2008
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  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His performances against lesser versions of Marquez and Barrera in the rematches would suggest otherwise.

    He could have beaten Diaz without the use of any hands so that fight means nothing in my estimation.

    Pac might be a better fighter now than he was at 122, but not than when he was at 126, even though he was more one dimensional there; that one dimension made him destroy Barrera and (imo) clearly beat Marquez, something he didn't quite do in the rematches with those two.

    You can bring up his performance against Morales in their rematch asa sign of improvement, but I put that down more to Morales being absolutely shot. When Manny moved to 130 he wasn't the same imo.
     
    sweet_scientist, Sep 21, 2008
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