Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Stiches Yarn, Jun 6, 2021.
Great Analyses! Sounds plausible.
Yeah, Bowe as a huge favorite over Louis. Sure, whatever...
Or Tubbs, who he already lost to...
I had Bowe with 10 or 11 losses because I think he'd find a way to lose to some guys he shouldn't
Quite the opposite, bowe always found a way to win during his career i mean.....
He luckily defeat Tubbs in a very very close fight.
Should have lost by DQ against buster mathis, but They somehow turned it into a no contest.
He was getting whooped by Golota twice, was on his way to lose the fight, but fortunately Andrew who was ahead decided jack off the last rounds by hitting Riddick 100 times in the apricots to get disqualified.
A prime Foreman would stop Bowe, Holyfield did beat Bowe, A motivated Buster Douglas could beat Bowe, Lennox Lewis would beat Bowe, Ken Norton could possibly beat Bowe, A in shape Tim Witherspoon could beat Bowe, Tony Tubbs did beat Bowe in my opinion and got robbed. Larry Holmes would most likely beat Bowe.
Riddick Bowe would destroy guys like Joe Louis. No 195 pound guy who stood right in front of him would beat him. Rocky Marciano, Gene Tunney, Jack Johnson were too small to compete against Bowe.
No current heavyweight "champion" would beat Bowe.
That's good, because Louis weighed over 200 lbs consistently. Bowe went life and death with 205 lbs Holyfield.
What about Mike Tyson?
LOL okay mate.
He has a good chance against anyone who engages with him. Norton is toast, Michael Moorer could beat him IMO ditto Charles, Walcott and Moore by being so cagey however Foreman is 70-30 I don't think Big GF in the 70s is sound enough for an inside fight he is always so wide open and never fought someone on Bowes level who was durable and aggressive enough to trade hits with him and I don't think he will be doing much when it becomes a firefight after Riddick gets inside. I think he will look hopeless inside with Bowe do you imagine George moving much or countering much of anything at that range? me neither. Marciano well.... yeah no.
Joe Frazier Is hard to imagine. But I think he would take it. Ali destroys Bowe as does Holmes. Joe Louis turns him into mince meat most of the time he was just to sound a puncher the openings would be there and he would take advantage every time though he could be overwhelmed by Bowe in a 70-30 in favour of JL. I think he could smother Tyson and take a win a UD or a TKO in the last few rounds though I don't think we have enough evidence Tyson could fight well at all on the inside I think there is a high possibility he could KO Bowe if he can make space for counters in the pocket again I don't know.
Not sure about Lennox honestly. Always felt like it was just one that needed to happen for us to really know too many factors like the Tyson fight to consider and not enough real evidence.
Why have still some people the believe Holyfield is "stronger" than Louis?
Stronger in what?
In weight lifting most likely, but not in strenght in Boxing which is punching power.
Louis had a MUCH harder KO shot than Holy ever had. I make a bet with you and say Holy would not have KOed my two countryman Axel Schulz and Timo Hoffmann (both prime). He could KO people when they were gassed. He could stunn some above average chins like Lewis, but he DEFINATELY lacked one punch KO power.
Remember when Riddick stated to Youtuber "Tru School Sports" the two hardest punchers he had ever fought were:
1) Herbie Hide
Nothing against Herbie, but this rank shows you Evander couldnt even hit as hard as Hide, who was a very good puncher but not absolute elite level.
And it also shows Bowe never faced an elite puncher in his whole career.
Thats BTW the one thing when it comes to Wlad. My heart says a prime Bowe fu...ks up Wlad very bad, but my head says if Wlad is able to land one of his most powerfull shots Bowe would go down and not beat the count.
Holyfield was better the night he won the title from Douglas, IMO, than he was the night he lost it to Bowe. He was on a huge roll in his career. Tubbs was not at his best when he fought Bowe, and many still thought Tubbs won.
Dokes was nowhere near his best when he fought Bowe. Not by any measure. Same with Thomas. To ignore that isn't a fair comparison.
Berbick beat Ali when they fought. If you were doing a similar comparison with Berbick, would you leave Ali off a list of former champs because Trevor already beat Ali in real life?
No, because unlike Dokes and Thomas, i strongly believe Ali in his prime or any version of Ali before the Leon Spinks fight beat berbick.
I don't Dokes and Thomas still lose to big daddy IMO.
We already what happened between bowe and a Prime Holyfield, why should i put him in this list?
Louis struggles with the jab, but pounces on Bowe once he's timed him. After several of these exchanges, Bowe will begin to wilt.
Walcott and Charles would have limited success, but I could see both lasting the distance.
Rocky loses late.
Riddick stops Floyd and Ingo within the first third of the fight.
Liston has a chance, but I don't think he threw combinations fast enough to knock Riddick out. And while I do think Sonny's jab is superior, I don't see it as being enough of a weapon to consistently outscore the bigger man.
Ali, Foreman, Holmes and Tyson all beat him.
Riddick would beat Frazier at least once in a trilogy. The amount of punishment both would take, along with Bowe's lack of dedication, makes it hard to predict exactly how the whole thing shakes out. But I favor Bowe in a one-off.
You are missing the point entirely.
Michael Dokes against Bowe wasn't the Dokes who went 15 rounds with Weaver 10 years earlier.
Whether "you" think he beats Bowe or not is irrelevent, since you posed the question to everyone else. You asked how we thought Bowe (the night he won the title) would do against all the former champs ...
I matched Bowe against all the former champs when the former champs won their belts, too. Dokes of 82/83 wasn't remotely the bloated, alchohol-soaked guy who was filmed getting drunk at a basketball game a couple nights before the Bowe fight in 1993.
Using Dokes in 1993 as an example is like using Bowe in 2004 against Marcus Rhode - 10 years after Riddick was champ - as an example of Bowe at his best.
And Holyfield clearly looked better when he won the title than he performed against Holmes or Bowe in defenses. Guys are allowed to have off nights.
Bowe fans tend to base ALL of Bowe's head-to-head matchups solely on the night he won the title against Holyfield, because Bowe had so many off nights and bad performances himself.
I doubt the Bowe who "beat/fouled" Coetzer or "controversally decisioned" Tubbs could beat the Holyfield who stopped Douglas. And Pierre Coetzer wasn't nearly as good as Gerrie Coetzee. And Tubbs in 92 wasn't Tubbs seven years earlier when he won his title.
In many ways, Bowe was just as much of a one-night wonder as Douglas against Tyson. A year after Bowe beat Holyfield, Holyfield won the rematch. Had Tyson and Douglas fought again in 1991, Tyson likely would've won their return. (Tyson nearly won their fight in 1990 with eighth round knockdown.)
You seem to want to stack the deck heavily in Bowe's favor by just assuming guys like Dokes, Tubbs, Thomas or Holyfield would never do better against Bowe at any points in their careers.
Thomas looked pretty excellent the night he beat Witherspoon for the title, too. That was probably the high point of his whole career. Pinklon wasn't nearly the same fighter six years later when Bowe fought him. Just like Bowe wasn't nearly the same fighter he was six years after he beat Thomas when Bowe was getting bounced off the floor repeatedly against Golota in their rematch.