If Roy Jones never went to heavyweight...

actually he wouldnt of finished undefeated hed still have that mark from montell

 

He fought Ruiz at 192lbs then went back down to 175 to fight Tarver - thats 17lbs, most of which he probably dehydrated.

 

Nobody would have cared much about a DQ, so brutally avenged.

He should have retired after Ruiz.

 

Roy's speed would of declined naturally even if he didnt move up to Heavyweight, but the weight gain did hurt him a bit. The fact that he won a title at Heavyweight adds a good bit extra to his already extraordinary resume.

 

Roy made a big mistake moving back down from HW.

His choice was simple either move up to HW and fight there a few fights and then retire. Or just fight Ruiz and then retire. To move up to HW for one fight and then move back down, was always a stupid mistake.

 

What happened after the Ruiz fight is very interesting story from a view-point of a nasty sport problem. I don't want go into the steroid issues, but what I can tell you now that not only the present or the future, but for the next decades athletes of the past will have to deal these issues too and it's a very ungracious but also very important issue. In some sports ANYONE who ever had any positive tests loses not only creditability but as well as medals and records. Boxing has to deal with that sooner or later.

In the decade when boxers are jumping up to HW to fight HUGE men without any problem, steroid use is an issue according to a some kind of expert acquaintance of mine. He said that there's NO POSSIBLE WAY IN NATURE for a boxer who already reached his natural athlete muscle weight (RJJ is from MW) to put up app. 20 pounds of real muscle in 6 months because on the top level a boxer who runs about 6 miles every day, works a lot of (muscle) reducing methods, as well as sparring etc. to get in great physical shape there’s no way to put up almost ANY weight (of course I’m not talking about the difference between the fight weight and the weight between fights – only the differences between fight weights.) Of course if someone is dying to make weight looks better in body sight if he has to loose less (more water in muscles) so moving up in weight not necessarily means that he put more muscle on himself. (What really tells you the truth about somenone's fight weight is the unofficial weight of fight night). Just imagine. Jones’ FIGHT WEIGHT was 20 pounds heavier in the Ruiz fight than usual that means he put up almost 20 pounds of real muscle in 6 month which is IMPOSSIBLE without losing speed, stamina, flexibility, and of course without any “help”.

My point: my friend said that it is the AFTEReffect what is showing the side effects of these substances. Now if a guy who’s making athletic activities in 300 days of a year puts up 20 pounds of real muscle in 6 months (friend says it’s impossible without substances) and loses 20 right after, that tears down his body and the athlete will look weaker. That’s because he’s done something that his body just can’t bear. We don’t know and never know what happened after the Ruiz fight put this is certainly a POSSIBLE explanation without any calumniation. I don’t know if the Richard Hall incident was just a “little mistake” for Jones but the effects of the illegal or half-legal substances CAN create a situation what we saw in the past years (1 very hard win over Tarver, 2 brutal knockout losses, VERY SUDDEN change of reflexes, stamina, speed, work rate etc.)

Of course not only building but losing muscle can be reached with some “help”. What is an interesting issue now how easily Roy lost another 7 pounds for this fight without any problems regarding his stamina, reflexes (not worse than last time, better than 3 years ago). So I’m just waiting on any news regarding post-fight tests. Of course it was a good win for Jones and I’m not looking to downgrade his performance. It’s just a curious story what my friend told me.



THX if you read it all.

 

Moving down to Light Heavyweight was an error that could have not damaged Roy Jones legacy if he had decided to retire after beating Tarver the first time.

 

i always thought he should have drop down to like 185 and taken another title fight at crusier..then drop back tp LHW...i think he would have given his body enough time to recover by doing this

 

Yes. And if not a CW fight then at least a longer lay-off and a tune-up fight.

 

Yeah, this was definetly an error in judgement, a win at CW would have given him belts in five weight classes. Hey, if he can regain some of those titles then more power to him.

 

People seem to forget that Roy WON his first fight after moving back down to light heavy, Yes, Roy beat Tarver after losing the weight. Then. Roy got knocked out after having MORE time to become accustomed to it. It's an excuse, pure and simple. If Roy could beat Tarver once , why didn't he do it again. The answer is, because Tarver caught him with a great shot.
Give Tarver his credit here.
After that KO loss, Roy was never the same, not because of weight draining, but because of physcological reasons. That KO broke him mentally, then the Johnson KO wiped away any remnants.
Now of course, Roy is older and has faded due to age, but that whole weight drain thing was negligable. It may have affected him in the first fight, but even with it, he managed to win, so there no excuses.

 

Because he fought him again a few months after the first bout. Tarver really tested him in that fight, Roy was gassed by the 6th. So right after the fight he had to keep training because the fight wasn't so far apart.