if Roy Jones retired after beating Ruiz....

just under Rios

 

I don't see how his losses should effect his legacy too much considering he had to lose all that weight to get back to light heavy. He was never the same. He will be ranked based upon what he did in his prime which effectively ended in the Ruiz fight.

 

He gets even more **** than he does now for being a ducker.

 

well you can't go back and take his fighter of the 90s award off him. He is still one of greatest 4 boxers from the past 20 years behind Pac.. some still rank him ahead of Hopkins, many ahead of Mayweather. I don't see how his ATG ranking will be effected too much by his past prime losses. If those guys are considered top 50 he'd be near them

 

meh, one fight against Toney does not make you an ATG.

 

His ATG standing would be better than it is now because before he fought Tarver his ability to take a shot was never in question as he was simply too elusive. But he would not rank as high as some would like because his depth of opposition was simply not as good as it could have been, it's easy to look great and untouchable when you face vastly inferior opposition. Now there are doubts that he could have remained looking so invincible had he faced all the top challengers of his time.

 

exactly. it's like saying how would you rank Prince Naseem before his loss to Barrera?

It's a nonsense question. How would you rank any fighter if you don't count his losses? Toss.

 

Fight fans are hilarious. Their judgment is always skewed by emotion. When RJJ was beating the best the world had to offer he was ducking. Now he was overrated because he took some L's when he lost his speed which was his main attribute. :--(

Even with the L's he is a top 10 all time fighter. IMO he is the best offensive fighter of all time. You are talking about a straight up unbeatable fighter for over a DECADE! There has never been a literally invincible fighter before or after RJJ outside of the short run Mike Tyson had when he couldn't be touched and he was mostly fighting cans. Even in today's era, all these guys are beatable. Floyd, Manny and the Klits are all beatable, we have seen all of them get outscored in multiple rounds, some we have seen take L's or barely win fights. RJJ from lets say 90 till 03 completely dominated the momentum in ALL of his fights except his loss to MG which was caused by his own recklessness. There was never a time in any fight someone could make an argument that he was losing. IMO. To do this in boxing is almost impossible. RJJ was something unbelievable. He is definitely top 10 to me, even with the losses at the end of his career. He lost his speed, speed was his weapon, that was the thing that made him so hard to beat. The second he lost a step he was beatable.

Look at what they say about Calzaghe now. Back then they said RJJ was ducking Calzaghe. Now they call Calzaghe a ducker too lmao. Its funny. I personally believed Calzaghe was scared to fight RJJ until once he knew he could beat him.

 

Roy Jones was 35 when he lost to Tarver, and he looked bad in the first fight. He was a fighter who relied on amazing reflexes and athletic ability in the ring, and he was around the age were they would've already diminished significantly on an average fighter. Couple that with having to cut all that weight at that age, which no doubt had a negative effect on his body and enhanced that deterioration. It is not a lie to draw the conclusion he was past prime against Tarver, if you couldn't already see it in the ring. You have to use common sense here. Prime RJJ would've toyed with Tarver, who was never a great fighter at all.

 

If....we wouldn't see this poll every two months.

:hey