If Salido beats Loma in the rematch....?

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  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let me start by saying Salido is the biggest warrior in the game only rivaled by Lebedev right now. Most people would have took that Loma win and rode off if the sunset, but this guy actually wants to go back and finish the job, I gotta commend him. With that being said I think Loma will have worked him out this time round and will beat him in a tough but clear UD.

    My biggest worry is Loma does not seem to want this fight as much as I think he should, it looks like Bob is the one who is pursuing the rematch, that makes me think maybe Loma does not want to have to go through another dirty rugged fight against this seasoned vet who will do anything to win. If Salido were to win a rematch what would you say? Does he become a top name in the sport? Would Loma be considered a hype job and be dropped out of your P4P ranking?
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Loma KO's Salido violently, it won't even be competitive. And for the record I picked Salido to beat Loma the first time.
     
  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its a good possibility that could happen I pick Loma to get the job done this time too, but what would you say if Salido pulled off the upset?
     
  4. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really doubt it, but it's a hypothetical question.

    If Salido beat Loma again, I wouldn't call Loma a hype job (he has enough good wins to prove he's a top player + Salido is a tough stylistic matchup for Loma), but it obviously adjusts his p4p ranking in a major way.

    Fully agreed on Salido being a warrior, even though he does fight a bit dirty sometimes.
     
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  5. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    He's getting him a job at uber cabs



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  6. LomachenkoIsTBE

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    The fight is virtually agreed, they're just trying to get the stadium sorted.

    It will always remain a stylistically tough fight, the way B grade Maidana was against Mayweather. Loma IMO still has weaknesses that hasn't prepared him fully for a rough, elite pressure fighter (although in a far, far lesser form than in his 2nd pro fight).

    Loma needs both time and space till he works his magic over the course of the fight. If you give him both, he'll figure you out like no other fighter in history could ever figure out a fighter. Usyk has shown the same requirements here. This IS a limitation of his game no matter how much anyone tries to redress it, so much so that I'm not even confident Loma even won the first couple of rounds against Gamalier Rodriguez (edit: it appears he has been improving further since the Gamalier fight, but he's still not quite there yet).
    Egis Klimas told Melissa McCarthy of HBO Fight Game that Vasyl firmly believes NO fighter will make it the distance against him at this stage of his career.

    All of this said, Loma should KO Salido at this stage or win a very impressive UD.

    If he loses to Salido, it does damage my perception of Loma somewhat. It'll show to me that he couldn't learn from his mistakes from the first fight and that he's 'too stuck in his own ways'. I'd still think he can put on a performance against non-stylistic threats like no other.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'd be shocked beyond belief.:lol:

    In retrospect Loma should be given the utmost credit for his performance against Salido, think about it, Vargas who is a beast who went to war with Miura (who I rate highly) and won, struggled mightily against a far more shot to hell wartorn version of Salido than Loma fought and was stunned several times throughout the match, and it could be argued lost the match.

    Meanwhile that was Loma's 2nd match, against a fighter who is known for dragging guys to the abyss and pushing them to the limit, and usually finishes stronger than his opponents, stopping many of them late, Garcia crumbled, Guerrero, Marquez, Juanma, all finished weaker than they started. Loma got stronger and stronger as the match progressed, never ever seemed hurt or buzzed in the least and managed to badly hurt Salido late and won the majority of the later rounds. In his first violent physically exhausting roughhouse 12 ROUND match he had amazing stamina, he was never even given a series of 6 and 8 rounders to get used to it. That was actually a pretty remarkable performance.
     
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  8. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I give Salido a 20% chance I think his style and mindset is perfect to beating Loma because you can't outbox Loma so it's a matter of being inside and working his body and roughing him up. With that being said if Loma can catch him coming in we might see another Martinez type knock out late on after Loma times him and counters.

    But I agree with you I personally wouldn't think he's a hype job either, and Salido can be very dirty but he knows stuff like that is effective against technicians like Loma who are used to people showing them respect and being cautious with them like Walters did.
     
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  9. Todd498

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    I actually think it will be another 'no mas' within 8 rounds
     
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  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with you I gotta applause the courage to take such a tough fight so early let alone to give a good performance when your outweighed and literally having your future kids battered in each round with the amount of low blows Salido threw.

    With that being said I also praise Salido too, he didn't buy into the hype he went in there and took Loma straight downtown and showed him how rough it can be in a pro fight. Not to mention his not ducking him like most people would if they manage to beat a p4p guy in a upset he's going back to show it werent a fluke so cudos to both men. I think Loma needs to forget Vargas and avenge his loss first before the opportunity is gone.
     
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  11. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't ever imagine Salido say no mas hes cut from another cloth but if Loma pulls that off wowee that is an achievement.
     
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  12. KiwiMan

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    Good to hear that the fight is basically agreed, and insightful analysis.

    I'm amazed that Loma always beat everyone in the amateurs despite tending to take a couple of rounds to figure his opponent out. Amateur fights are short, but apparently he managed to work his magic in the limited number of rounds there. What's the difference? Is it because he knows he might need to go 12 so he conserves energy at the start?

    Would be interested to hear your thoughts (+ CST, jmashyaka) on this.
     
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  13. CST80

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    The battering the kids line.... lol.

    That was ridiculously brave of Loma, I think a lot of the so-called fans on here than want to bash Salido as a bum either DKSAB or are just bull**** artists and haters. And yeah I really want to see Loma fight Salido again, and close down all the doubters, hopefully by KO, and I don't say that as a Salido hater with a Loma bias, Siri's one of my favorite active boxers, I like him as much as I like Loma.
     
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  14. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I tend to agree, if Salido feels he's got no practical chance he'd probably go wild and get KO'ed rather than quit in the corner.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    I expect Loma to ko Salido in the return.

    If Salido wins we might just have to accept that Loma isn't as good as some people think.

    Me personally, I think he has the potential to be the best FW to LW fighter in history.

    For me that means he has to prove to be better than Armstrong and Whitaker. To do that he avenges his loss to Salido, cleans out the division over the next 3 years and then beats the top dog at LW.
     
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