If shavers had managed ed to drop Ali, would he be rated as high as foreman in the 70 s?

Didn't Toney basically knock Holyfield out?

 

Toney basically teed off on Holyfield's head and body from the 4th round on and gave him a beating. Eventually Holyfield went down from sustained punishment in the ninth, highlighted by a beautiful left hook to the body, and Holyfield's corner stopped it.

On singular shots to the head, Ruiz had Holyfield more hurt than anyone else, which shows the unpredictable nature of the sport.

 

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No.

Of course not.

A KD would not have put Shavers in the top 20.

Foreman is a solid top 10.

 

You know when someone starts a post with some bull**** like ' I'm not a fan of ___' or 'I wanted him to lose every time but .... ' you know that he's then gonna declare that fighter the greatest ever and then tell you everything that made him so great in detail.It's just one big lying con and its obvious that they are really that fighters biggest fan.

 

Maybe Shavers should be rated a bit higher. Ferdie Pacheco left the Ali camp after the Shavers fight stating that Ali should never fight again. According to Ferdie, Ali won the decision but his kidneys lost the fight.

 

Good points made by all but what must also be remembered in comparing Foreman's and Shavers' performances against Ali is that Muhammad was three years older when he fought the latter than he was for the former. The Ali who fought Shavers was a lot slower and more ringworn than when he stopped George in Zaire. He still had that toughness,though,as has been said.

 

Shavers had stamina issues...he didn't carry his power into the later rounds...he didn't have the knack of coming up with the big punch when he needed to...he never won a fight past the 7th round...

 

if Shavers had knocked down Ali and still lost the fight it wouldn't have changed his standing. If he'd beaten the faded Ali, his standing would be elevated but with the asteric that he beat a way past his prime Ali, kind of like the asteric next to Leon Spinks' name.

The theme is unclear here. Is OP saying a Shavers knockdown of Ali would put Shavers above Foreman as a puncher, or overall standing. Simply scoring a knockdown, over a very faded Ali, would not put Shavers above Foreman, in overall standing. It could be argued that Shavers was a harder puncher than Foreman, whether or not he knocked down Ali. Remember, Foreman didn't knock Ali down either. Of course, Foreman faced a much better version of Ali than Shavers did.

 

The combination of Ali never being stopped and Shaver's being a terrible finisher against elite competiton makes it very unlikely Shaver's would have stopped Ali even if he had scored a knockdown.

If Ali was never stopped, it is unlikely a terrible finisher, which Shavers was, could stop him.

 

Every common opponent i know of considered Shavers the harder hitter and most fans go along with this overwhelming consensus.