If Steve Collins had come along earlier against Benn -Eubank?

That version of Gman was badly hurt from a non punch from a 147 pounder in the kronk gym. Look it up. He was done after Jackson 1 and just got lucky bombing guys out in one round afterward and not tested. By lucky I mean he didn't take any clean punches. For example Jackson could have killed him in that rematch if he landed. I say again, watch the Benn McClellan fight and score it. Benn does not lose any round in which he doesn't get dropped and barely gets hit in those rounds he wins. The version of Gman from Jackson 1 would probably run through Benn, Collins, Eubank and Watson on the same night.

If McClellan was still himself, I think he would say he went through all kinds of hell in that Benn fight because he was brain damaged and in excruciating pain from when he took the first clean punch.

But he lost his memory. Like the theory that general anesthesia doesn't put you out but instead the retrograde amnesia that it gives you just takes away your memory and you don't have the memory of being awake for the operation. McClellan doesn't have the memory from the fight. In my opinion he was an example of a guy with maximum heart. If he took a knee like that, believe me he was going through a hell that would break any man. His own pain from being in excruciating brain damage. He was nothing more than a shell of himself that night. Benn was crap on the night and still won. The folklore from that fight is very annoying. It's 100% wrong from people who didn't watch the fight or didn't understand what they were seeing and we still have to read the bull**** today when anyone can go and watch the fight and see what im saying is 100% true.

 

Benn had a fractured jaw, fractured rib, broken nose, broken cheekbone, collapsed through exhaustion on his way back, in hospital for a week pissing blood and according to Peter DeFreitas brain xrays showed shadows hovering over various parts (which explains Benn’s lack of balance against Nardiello); they had to hide these scans from the board by underhanded means.

 

Benn had to be lifted in and out of baths when he got home from hospital. He was done. All the ligaments in the side of his neck tore from the right hand from McClellan to the top of Benn’s head at the start of the fight on the ropes.

 

I also recall him saying he was eating through a straw for weeks, all the inside of his mouth was ripped up.

 

Similarly Eubank Sr says he was very close to death after the second Watson fight.

 

To be honest, I was utterly shocked at this. I didn’t even believe at first. When Eubank started reacting to it, I thought that he was playing his own mind games.

So it was very impressive by Collins, and you can absolutely say that it was a weakness by Eubank. But to me, the Watson fight just had such a profound effect on him.

It just changed his entire demeanour. He second guessed himself afterwards, where he was far more cautious.

Personally, I don’t think that Collins could have executed that pre-Watson. Not when Benn couldn’t psyche him out.

 

He was blinking on the way to the ring. Something was definitely amiss even before the fight. I’d love to know what medical he had.

The documentary is awful.

It appears as though he shouldn’t have been passed to fight.

 

The Collins psyche out was playing on the Watson tragedy in Eubanks eyes. If Steve couldn’t be hurt after hypnosis, how far would he go…. Make sense? Awful stuff really.

 

Of course he could be hurt. A 1960s looking hippie was giving him some meditation and Eubank fell for it as if Collins was now made out of titanium. The absolute state of the hippie hypnotist.

https://www.mediastorehouse.com/p/767/steve-collins-hypnotist-tony-quinn-press-21284155.jpg.webp

Falling for that and being so mentally rattled is unforgivable mental weakness. I never looked at Eubank the same after that. It was so weak it was unreal. He has to have lost a lot of respect from actual warriors of the ring by how much of a p*ssified reaction he gave to that hippie giving Collins meditation. It's a wonder that Eubank goes around parroting his schtick like he does today after showing such mental midgetry around Collins.

Hands down, the most embarrassing case of a fighter being mentally beaten by another fighter.

Personally I can't get past the race aspect of it. He was fighting against a confident white man and he struggled to be the alpha male. He was rattled so easily it was insane. I don't buy the Watson excuse. And what is up with that kid he had with the black woman that he reportedly didn't want anything to do with apart from giving his mum 30k after the paternity test according to the mirror article still up. Goes around wearing a plastic looking sherrifs badge after doing things like this. Then going around calling himself "English" and bigging up the Queen and all of this weird things. Memorising Rudyard Kipling so he can sound smart repeating it. Sorry but huge red flags arise when it comes to Eubank for me. A lot of red flags. A very weird guy with his own mental issues that he never dealt with.

 

Hypnosis was a grey area back then. Recall Paul McKenna’s huge viewing figures, it all looked very real. So if a man couldn’t feel the punches, he wouldn’t know when to stop in Eubank’s eyes, or perhaps the brain he felt wouldn’t allow unconsciousness from a blow that would usually render the man out (maybe causing internal brain damage if you will with the subsequent blows). Of course the Watson incident as well as the fact he killed a man with a ginger goatee (like Collins) on the road shortly afterwards would’ve been playing on his mind, the poor guy was looking directly into Eubank’s eyes when he got mowed down and killed by Chris’ rangerover…. I think there were various flashbacks when he dropped Collins in that 10th which cost him the actual fight.

 

Just rewatched the Reggie V Stevie fight and Collins is using a very short sneaky right hand counter to the southpaw lefts

I forgot that Ali was in attendance and that it was on Showtime

I had it 115-115

 

This thread took a weird turn.

Benn not taking hardly any punishment against G-man.

All the needle and weird comments around the stupid buildup in Collins vs Eubank didn't seem to impact the in ring action at all. It was stylistically typical from both men in there...in actual fact Eubank was sharper and slicker than he had been in most of the other fights over the last half of his title run. He was definitely bothered by what happened to Watson, and perhaps that played a part in the end of the fight after he hurt Collins, as it maybe did in other fights, but there was no indication of any "psyching out" in the action before that, even if Collins had indeed got to him in the buildup.

 

It was like an overarm right swiped down kind of thing

 

There is no possible way that anyone can say Collins got a draw with Johnson in a bout he almost got stopped.