If the height and weight of Rocky Marciano are the same as Muhammad Ali, who would win?

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rocky was good enough to trouble Ali at his own size, he wouldn't need any bust to that. Frazier was basically the same size as Rocky and he beat Ali.
     
  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bruno wasn't 6'3" though. He was way shorter than both Bugner and Bonecrusher Smith, who are both 6'3.5". He was also slightly shorter than Muhammad Ali, who was 6'2". When I met Bruno back in the late 90's 6'1.5" seemed closer to his real height.

    "Tyson left the 6-foot-2, 235-pound Bruno flat on his back in the fifth round of their first encounter in Las Vegas on Feb. 25, 1989."
    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1995-12-18-1995352011-story.html

    Here is Tyson with Bruno
    https://talksport.com/wp-content/up...Images-225601.jpg?strip=all&w=960&quality=100

    Here is Tyson with Holyfield, who is 6'1.5" according to Duva.
    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/V3K...s/chorus_image/image/32007459/485746137.0.jpg

    "Measuring Holyfield in 1987, publicist Kathy Duva recorded his height at 6-foot-1 1/2, his weight at 188 pounds and his chest at 44 inches. It was the waist measurement that furrowed Duva's brow: "Evander's waist is smaller than mine. So I added an inch to it." Still, the heavyweight's waist came to 29 inches."
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-05-07-sp-54726-story.html
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I refuse to read any responses to this because it might be the dumbest thread ever posted.

    Carry on.
     
  4. BCS8

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    :( That means that you missed my reply. Your life will be poorer for it.
     
  5. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well seeing as the first bit couldn't get the outcome of the fight correct then maybe they were wrong with Bruno's height.
    Bruno was stopped on his feet.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Frazier was both better and worse than Marciano in different aspects, he had a much better left hook imo, that troubled Ali more
    I think he was slight quicker
    Joe was much much better defensively
    Joe seemed to have a better body shot as well

    But Marciano had two hands

    I think they had equal power, physical strength, inside games and chins
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Ali fans don't view this match objectively even though Ali himself who sparred with a very old Rocky for the computer movie respected Marciano.

    Ali was often caught and floored by left hooks. Not only by Joe Frazier, but Henry Cooper had Ali's out in his corner for a while until the illegal smelling salts helped Ali come to with his eyes looking like two pinballs. Sonny Banks also floored Ali with the hook. What I'm saying is he's open to this punch.

    Unlike Fraizer Rocky had power in both hands. He could do very well here, even upset Ali. Much depends on what type of shape Ali is in. Rope-A dope won't work with Marciano, and he's a bull in the clinches, much stronger / harder to pin down in Ali's Clinching behind the head stuff. While Ali has the size and speed he's going to have to work hard to win.

    At the worst, minus an early cuts stoppage, Maricano does better than Chuvalo who gave Ali a tough fight.

    I'll go with an in shape pre 1973 Ali to win on points, something like 9-6. I would not rule out an upset.
     
  8. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    Floored 3 times in 61 fights is not, "often". Marciano strong yes ,stronger than Foreman in the clinches ?No.
    A prime Ali would not be utilising the rope a dope against Marciano, he would be moving and jabbing and Rocky would always be a step or two behind.Marciano's tender skin would soon be sprouting leaks from that jab and he hit hard enough with his right hand to keep Rocky honest and not come wading in with impunity.Ali beats the slow footed Marciano up and tko's him in10 or 11 rds.
    The scores for the Ali v Chuvalo fight are as follows.
    73-65,74-63,74-62.
    Close it wasn't.