if the klitschko's are the best why would they never fight valuev

He took millions from fighters but who cares? We got the big fights as fans, so that's all that counts. It's funny though because people on here will argue for months on end over their favourite fighter deserving a million here or there, but why should we care? If we aren't getting the fights we want, surely we should be pissed rather than defend multi-millionaires haggling over small percentages?

But yeah, the point remains that whilst King was and is a shady ****er, he made the fights happen. The excuse that he's the reason fights with K2 didn't happen is bull****. He's had a long, successful career where he's dealt with every promoter I know of successfully - Except one.

K2.

But yeah, let's blame King! That makes sense, right?

 

**** yes. I'm pissed off. I don't care what money Haye/Wlad/Pac/Mayweather etc get from a fight. I just want to see it happen.

I don't want to see the top few guys in a division fighting guys they simply won't lose to, over and over again rather than fighting each other.

(I will however argue with moron Klitschko fans until the cows come home, because their arguments are just so mind blowing sometimes I have to... )

Yep. It's all Don Kings fault. It must be.


the problems have begun since boxers/managers have got EVEN MORE greedy, and decided not only do they want their purses, they also want to be promoters too.

Egos get involved, and fights fall over. It's ****.

 

Klitschkos tried to get a fight with Valouev, Valouev would not fight them, plus Don King!

 

That's right Farmy, Don King.

Imagine if other fighters decided not to deal with notoriously difficult promoters eh?

 

Valouev had his chance several times. Klitschkos are cleaning out the entire heavyweight division. A fight with Valoeuv would not prove anything, but when he had the WBA title they really wanted to fight him. Where is Haye?

 

Actually it's because they are the best that they didn'y fight him. They would absolutely destroy a slow and stationary target like Niko. Valuev's not stupid. That's why he turned down a few million to fight Vitali.

 

Are you saying boxers cannot be self-promoted and rather traded like cards by the likes of Don King and Arum for your viewing pleasure? FOAD!

 

No. I'm saying my impression is that fights have become harder to make since fighters have decided to become promoters at the same time.

Why have they done it? To make more money of course.

But to be perfectly honest, yeah. Of course fighters are doing it for my viewing pleasure. If nobody watched, do you think they'd be getting the millions they are now for a single fight? Of course not.

The only thing that surprises me is that people still pay for the **** that they put on.

I haven't paid for a PPV for a very long time. Over $50 in Australia, to watch glorified sparring sessions and mismatches.

A bit less greed, and I would happily fork out $10 or $20 to watch a fight. And probably would buy a few over the year. Now, I buy none.

But fans still fork out the money to watch garbage. And why would fighters actually take tough fights, when they can sit there and still get paid for easy fights?

 

The HW division today actually needs a good promotor liek King to have control.
Imagine what he could do with the Klitschko white man image and how hed promote them , they'd make more money and be on top PPV too

Look what he didi with Holmes cooney

 

This is an argument I had in another thread.

As bad as it may sound, I don't care if a fighter loses some money as long as the big fights happen. If they lose a 20% cut or whatever it may be, I honestly don't care. The fighters we debate day in, day out are millionaires already and I have no reason to want to see them be even richer. That is irrelevant. What I do want, as a fan, is to see the biggest and best fights possible and when someone else is in control of a fighters career, that tends to happen.

If Mayweather was promoted by Don King, we would have had the Pacquiao fight. When GBP and Finkel were negotiating on behalf of Haye and Klitschko, it was all going well. When K2 got involved, it broke down.

There are many more examples too.

It's just a fact that when boxers are in control of their own careers, you don't see top level fights. Joe Calzaghe knew he could make as much money as he was earlier in his career when he fought Jones, because he wasn't giving away any money to Frank Warren, he was taking the lot. Now, if Warren was in control, there's a good chance we'd have seen a better fight, from the fans perspective.

Don't mistake this post as me saying I don't care if guys get ripped off because I do care. However, at a certain point, usually when a guy has over $25m in the bank, a house the size of a small planet and a car list like an Italian phonebook, I don't care. I just want to see the best fights happen and it that means the fighters lose a small percentage, so be it.

If it wasn't for K2's greed, we would have seen fights against Valuev, Toney, Ruiz, Briggs, Povetkin and more. As fans, we should want to see those bouts and I don't see how anyone can defend it, just because K2 would have lost a bit more money. What happened to giving back to the fans who make them so rich?

 

Actually Valuev turned down a career high payday vs. Vitali and that was while he had no belt himself. That's a fact. :deal I don't think Valuev was afraid though, but Don King was. King demanded more because he knew it would be the end of his meal ticket...................

 

Yes he was, that is why the fight never happend. Tell that to Valuev nuthuggers. :deal

 

I couldn't agree more with you, on everything in that post.

Larry Holmes always used to say "I make more money with Don King stealing from me than 100 percent from other promoters."

I don't want to see guys become ripped off, but there's a point where it becomes pathetic.

And ultimately a fighter will choose to make easy money, over putting his career on the line with a tough fight.

If guys had been promoting themselves like they are today, Duran, hearns, hagler and leonard would NEVER have fought each other.

 

Career high payday. Career high payday. Career high payday. Career high payday. Career high payday. blah blah blah.

That's all I ever hear about that fight.

so what? Valuev has probably got more money than he ever needs, so why take a "career high payday" if you know the other guy is ****ing you in the deal?

If he's using you to make himself massive amounts of money, and giving you **** all of it (even if it is, as you say, a Career high payday) - then you're quite within your rights to tell him to **** off, give me more or I walk away.

 

must be another joke thread. what a waste of time for those who try to make sense of it.