if the klitschko's are the best why would they never fight valuev

Exactly. We know that Mayweather doesn't need any help promoting his fights, so where is the incentive for him to fight the best? If he is taking a massive cut, all he has to do is fight a top 10 fighter once a year and that's the end of his career right there, until he loses. He's got nobody pushing him, nobody to tell him who or when to fight and when he ultimately does, he takes such a large cut that he doesn't need to give the fans the best fights.

That's where I have a problem with fans defending fighters offering **** deals or rejecting good ones for an alternative. Why? Because they aren't suffering, us fans are! Especially the hardcore fans who are on here 24/7 defending them. Don't they relaise that they are the ones getting ****ed over? Their fighter gets richer, he fights easier opponents and the fans get what? Nothing.

That's why I can't blame Haye in the last stages of negotiations. He didn't need to accept 50/50 because he brings in more than that but he did. Maybe he did it for the fans, we don't know, but he accepted a **** deal. The fact is, had he not done and the Klitschko's had to make a loss, they simply wouldn't have accepted. You can talk non-stop about what titles Wlad has but it's all irrelevant. This is a game ruled by money. I think Haye did the right thing by accepting. Fans can call him a "coward" all they want but what he did, was in their best interests.

Like you said, we want to see fighters get paid but there has to be an incentive to fight the best. When one guy promotes himself and has a loyal fanbase, there is no incentive. Especially when it's such a loyal, or as I'd prefer to say blind, fanbase as Mayweather and the Klitschko's have.

I know though that no matter how long ESB is around for, people will be defending their favourites offering bad deals or rejecting good ones. Maybe if they didn't defend it, the fighters would take note and give the fans, their meal ticket, the fights they deserve to see. We've made them millionaires. Don't we deserve a bit of thanks?

Obviously K2 don't think so.

I'm gonna go on a bit of a rant here, when I meant to end my post a bit shorter But seriously, the ****ing Chisora fight? How bull**** is that as a mandatory? Nobody wants to see it, yet Klitschko is happy to sell it as a legit fight even though it shouldn't last 2 rounds. Disgusting. At least with Harrison, people wanted to see him get knocked out. There is absolutely no positive about Klitschko/Chisora, yet 60,000 fans will be there to see a farce of a main event with no undercard. Talk about raping your fanbase.

 

one of valuevs farts would be enough to put vlad on ***** street.

 

I feel like a fanboy who praises everything their favourite fighter does But again, good post.

The fact it was a career high payday is irrelevant. There's two figures here: Valuev's previous highest payday and what he deserves. Just because you beat the amount of money he made against a guy like Ruiz in Germany, it doesn't mean he should accept $1 more against a Klitschko because it's his "career high payday".

I always seem to use these two, but imagine Mayweather fought Martinez. Let's say, for arguments sake, Martinez's career high payday is $500,000. If Mayweather offered him $550,000 would it be fair? Of course not. Sure, you could then argue "It was his career highest payday by $50,000" but it wouldn't change the fact it's a bull**** offer. Martinez would deserve far more than that.

But again, I can't see why fans would defend Klitschko offering a bad deal. It's not their money they would be losing, it's the Klitschko's. Yet they defend it because they're fans and instead of a Valuev fight, you got Sosnowski instead.

What a joke.

The deal offered to Tua was a disgrace too. Again, they'll say he was undeserving as a challenger, and maybe that's the case, but it's still a fight we'd all love to see. Yet he was offered the same as he got against Cameron and his fans will defend that.

 

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they waited until he got old and lost to wanna challenge him

 

Exactly.

Don King and the WBC had a closed circuit Heavyweight Juniors League with a shiny belt. Now it's David Haye's British Championship belt, which Wlad deserved to own after beating an unjustly striped Chagaev. Hell, you could even argue that Holyfield should be the legit WBC champ after he schooled SNV.

 

Yeah, it's become quite the love-in hasn't it

I think we just both think the same way, and to be honest, it's not ****ing rocket science.

"let's see the best fights we can, with all fighters being rewarded well".

Well, **** me, that's hardly asking for the moon is it?

Well, look at the few posts after yours. Mind numbing. they don't even know which belt Valuev/Haye held.

It's crazy. I don't understand why fans of fighters want to keep watching their guy starch over matched fighters in non competitive fights, rather than actually take a challenge?

Just so the guy they've decided to follow has a few more millions in the bank? What good does that do the fans?

I've come to the conclusion most of them don't read anything they can't consume in 3 seconds, and disagrees with their point of view.

Just quote some random, one line bull**** answer and stick this :good after it. Brilliant stuff.

 

Yeah, I know. People can say in hindsight that Valuev would have posed no threat but he would be the first opponent who would genuinely push the Klitschko's back. He has a size advantage neither have faced before and, as the bigger man in their fights, it would be interesting to see them take Valuev on. But, no, they simply say "Well, either Klitschko would have won anyway, so who cares?".

People **** on Ruiz too but he always gave opponents a few different challenges. Sure, he was outclassed by Jones and knocked out by Tua and Haye but surely it would have been a big positive for either Klitschko when Ruiz was world champion? I don't think it would have been an easy night and, if they won, it would be a big win for either Klitschko. Ruiz is certainly better than Peter, who is considered one of both fighters best win, so why not? But again, they'll say "Either Klitschko would have wiped the floor with him".

Or even Toney. Sure, he was fat but he would have been, by far, the most skilled opponent either Klitschko has ever faced. Look at how foolish Vitali looked when Johnson was sitting on the ropes avoiding his shots. Are we to believe that Toney couldn't have done anything? But, once again, ask them and their response will be "He was a fat former middleweight, both Klitschko's would have walked through him".

Whether those results are as sure as the Klitschko fans think, I don't know. The point is, we should be demanding these bouts because we pay their wages! If you excuse a big fight not happening on the basis that "Either Klitschko would have won", then why don't we watch Wlad and Vitali destroy guys with losing records and look at Adamek, Haye, Boytsov, Povetkin etc., and in a few years time say "Who cares? Either Klitschko wins by knockout".

The fans have a right to demand these fights as we pay their wages. The more fans sick back and excuse the bull****, the more K2, Mayweather etc., can get away with it. If their fans sit back and accept it, why the **** would anything change? It won't and you'll have this cycle, which has already started, of fighters being promoted well, getting to a stage where they have a fanbase, leaving the promoter who made them a star, self promoting their own fights and doing nothing to force the big bouts, which the fans want to see.

It's just a joke.

As much as I like Wlad, I truly hope he never holds all the titles. I have this image of a worrying monopoly on the belts, where they **** the fans over and rarely deliver the bouts we want to see. If he chose to go ahead with the Chisora fight, despite knowing it would kill the potential Haye bout, I think it's realistic to worry about that.

 

It's a fight I always wanted to see, the klits fighting someone who was actually bigger and maybe stonger. How they both ain't fought him yet...I dunno.

 

Good read:good