If the ref waived off the fight against Marquez how much higher is Pacquiao's stock?

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What if after the 3rd Knockdown the ref called it off and the record books listed TKO 1 victory for Manny.

    Would JMM be undermined or would Pacquiao's stock go higher?
     
  2. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac would be #1 P4P after the 2nd Morales fight.

    Jmm would still be fighting in the undercards against 3Ks of thailand.

    Nobody will ask for Pac JMM rematch.

    Pac haters will have nowhere to turn to. They'll be content of making Threads like Pac vs SRL, tyson, SRR, Hagler. Hearns.
     
  3. Rickypr18

    Rickypr18 Active Member Full Member

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  4. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Much higher...a 1st round KO of Juan Manuel Marquez would be very serious.
     
  5. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that the win would have very little bearing had it been waived off there. JMM was always the lesser known of the 3 (mab, em, jmm). This was really his first really big fight. If he was blown out that easily, he would have vanished into nothing and people would say that pac simply exposed an overhyped guy that rightfully fought in the shadows of barrera and morales.
     
  6. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It wouldn't, JMM would be no higher like Solis or Larios in Packman book.
    People instead talking about Marquez heart, technique and determination would be talking about his weak chin.

    Surprisingly for PAC it was better than Marquez was not KOed in one round.
    Now PAC have the case he knock down 3x man who is at top 10 p4p list.
     
  7. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    very right on :good

    It wouldnt have boosted Pacquiao's career as it seems, and Marquez's career goes down the drain.
     
  8. loui_ludwig

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    If the ref waive off the fight after the 3rd knockdown, Pac will become a world champion(don't which alphabet title, besides the Ring belt).

    If he is a title holder, then Pac chances of fighting EM at 130 probably will not happen. Pac will stay at 126. Maybe after 1 or 2 defense, move up to 130 and rematch MAB. If Pac wins, he might be facing Valero in Philippines.

    Morales, instead of fighting Pac, would probably face a top 10 jr. lighweight. Then move up to 135 and chances are, it will probalby be against a top 10 or a world champion, instead of the reality, fighting Raheem. If EM face a top 10 jr. lighweight, the situation of his fight against Raheem, were Raheem run, will not happen. EM will have a chance of winning that fight and face a 135 title holder. Since both Castillo and Corralles are paired up to fight each other, he might face Juan Diaz. And this probably will be the fight were we will see that EM is past his prime shot fighter.
     
  9. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if the fight was waived off after the 1st round....

    then we would have never heard of the "i had bad socks" excuse. haha

    but seriously, pac will not have turned into the total monster he is now if that fight was stopped. if he won it in 1. he would have been content with being 1-dimensional and not have improved his right hand.

    i think that draw was better for manny in the long run
     
  10. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    Easy question to answer.

    The Philippines would have declared it as Manny Pacquaio Day, and a special holiday at that one, since he would have been an official champ at 126 in only his 3rd fight there, and that happened just right after he beat MAB!

    The boxing purists, who had JMM in their top 5 P4P at that time, would have given Pac more credit. The word "one dimensional" would not have popped-out, and the word "sensational" would have been eventually abused in terms of using it to describe Pac at that time. TKing a legit fundamentally sound fighter who has the rep of being avoided in the past IN 1 ROUND after blasting a living legend seems. What can you saya about it? SOunds like Prince Hamed in being sensational, right?

    Finally, and in other words, his P4P ranking would have immediately gone to no.3, at the minimum. The effect would have been big. Period. No doubt about it. I am not overrrating JMM but that 1st TKO would have been a big deal.:deal
     
  11. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and pac haters would have called jmm not that good to begin with
     
  12. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    They would probably said he is past his prime at that time...

    Silly haters who claim they like Pac but is now having second thoughts in lking him because of his delusional fans..:yep
     
  13. johnco

    johnco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    correct!!! :good:good they have their own way of making things spin here at esb.

    in addition, they find THEIR mini comfort through the likeness of jmm everytime pacs greatness is discussed here. IT IS THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE :yep
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    What if is just that.....What if....

    Thankfully there was a ref in there that knew to do his job.
    There was no three knockdown rule, and each time Marquez arose from a knockdown, his legs were steady.

    Marguez was'nt really hurt in any of the kd's.....as Marquez himself said, " I had a hell of a time initially, guaging how far Pac's left would travel.....Pac takes a real long step each time he comes foward with his left, and I did'nt initially guage that correctly.

    The fact is that Marquez was up and ready to resume each time, and there was really no reason to stop it.

    A schooling proceeded!:yep
     
  15. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Instead of getting embaressed, why don't you tell those who pick Pac over EVERYONE to STFU.:huh