If there is no JMM-Pac 2, would JMM be in the HOF?

divac · Oct 26, 2007

Thinman said:

I was talking about one fight. The fight betwen Pac and JMM. If JMM keeps winning of course he will make it to the HOF. I think he can make it but first he has to do what you just said, same goes for Pac.
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Absolutely!:thumbsup

Thinman · Oct 26, 2007

pejevan said:

JMM has a very limited shelf-life. He is already 34 and at the lighter weights, age really shows up. So, at most, he will have probably 4 fights left (that includes the Juarez fight). When he reaches 36, he can not cope up with the energy of the younger ones. So, in order for him to have a HOFer-defined career, does he have to fight Valero, Pac, Guzman in succession?

At his present resume, is he a HOFer?
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No. If he defeats Juarez and then he fights Pac and defeats him, and then he fights Pac again defeats Pac again and then he defeats lets say Guzman then he has a chance to be part of the HOF.

Pac has defeated MAB and then he lost to EM, then he beat EM and then he recycle.

DobyZhee · Oct 26, 2007

wait a second..what's JMM's record?

psychopath · Oct 26, 2007

Common people . . . wake up . . . JMM's best acomplishment is salvaging a draw with Pac after getting KDed three times.

HOF???? :-(

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pejevan · Oct 26, 2007

Thinman said:

No. If he defeats Juarez and then he fights Pac and defeats him, and then he fights Pac again defeats Pac again and then he defeats lets say Guzman then he has a chance to be part of the HOF.

Pac has defeated MAB and then he lost to EM, then he beat EM and then he recycle.
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Thats asking a lot for JMM. Your requirement is a little steep. There is no way he is going to have those fights in succession. After the Juarez fight, it would probably be Pac or another tune-up if the Pac fight does not materialize.

With an average of 2 fights a year, that is 4 fights before he reaches 36. Unless you envision him to be like hopkins or Foreman, that would be another interesting thread: do you think JMM would still be fighting after 36?

DobyZhee · Oct 26, 2007

his style dictates that he could fight till 40 if he wanted to. honestly, I'd pay money to watch him counterpunch a bunch of cabdrivers.

psychopath · Oct 27, 2007

DobyZhee said:

wait a second..what's JMM's record?
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47 (35 KOs) - 3 loses - 1 draw

Marco Antonio Barrera
Jimrex Jaca
Terdsack Jandaeng
Cris John - Lost
Victor Polo
Orlando Salido
Manny Pacquaio - Draw
Derrick Gainer
Marcos Lincona
Manuel Medina
Hector Javier Marquez
Robie Penden

etc etc

Does that resume fits the Hall of Fame? :think

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Thinman · Oct 27, 2007

pejevan said:

Thats asking a lot for JMM. Your requirement is a little steep. There is no way he is going to have those fights in succession. After the Juarez fight, it would probably be Pac or another tune-up if the Pac fight does not materialize.

With an average of 2 fights a year, that is 4 fights before he reaches 36. Unless you envision him to be like hopkins or Foreman, that would be another interesting thread: do you think JMM would still be fighting after 36?
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My requirements ?.....You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. This is not my envision. I am a boxing fan. Thats it. If JMM can not make it, then thats not my problem. That would be his problem....don't you think?

pejevan · Oct 27, 2007

Thinman said:

My requirements ?.....You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. This is not my envision. I am a boxing fan. Thats it. If JMM can not make it, then thats not my problem. That would be his problem....don't you think?
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Would you be a little merciful, sir. So I believe that if you would be in the HOF board or whoever that finalizes the HOF names, JMM is not in that list.

That is a big problem that JMM has!!

Thinman · Oct 27, 2007

pejevan said:

Would you be a little merciful, sir. So I believe that if you would be in the HOF board or whoever that finalizes the HOF names, JMM is not in that list.

That is a big problem that JMM has!!
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No. Sorry. If I have to decide right now he won't. There is no way that I can say that he is a HOF at the present. The same goes for Pac, I cannot say that he is an ATG.

divac · Oct 27, 2007

DobyZhee said:

umm didn't JMM fight jandeng who was coming off a loss from Guzman, Barrera who was probably shot since the Pac fight, now he's fighting Juarez who lost to MAB.:think

The problem is, HE'S NOT FAMOUS!! so how can you put him in the hall of fame? his career defining moments are getting a draw with Pac, getting cheap shotted by MAB, getting knocked down by Pac 3 times and coming back valiantly, and not taking 750,000 bucks for 30,000 dollars. Quite a resume...
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atsch Do your homework friend.....Barrera and Jandeng were both riding 6 fight winning streaks when they lost to Marquez.

I'm not questioning Pac's competition, he's fought some tough fighters, but lets also take note that out of Pac's last 7 fights, those good fighters we talk about had lost in their fight previous to Pac......
.....a sign that those good fighters were already on there way down.

Thats all I'm saying.
Its still a good resume for Pac. Good fighters, but by no means was Pac dismantling fighters at the top of their game!

PATSYS · Oct 27, 2007

JMM beat Jandaeng who lost to Guzman. Who the **** is Jandaeng anyway?

Pac destroyed MAB 4 year before JMM beat MAB very very narrowly, whom Pac again totally dominated in MAB's very next fight.

JMM has a long way to go and a lot of catching up to do before he can be a HOF material. His best shortcut to it is thru Pac and he better be not a hardcase in negotiating a rematch.

divac · Oct 27, 2007

PATSYS said:

JMM beat Jandaeng who lost to Guzman. Who the **** is Jandaeng anyway?

Pac destroyed MAB 4 year before JMM beat MAB very very narrowly, whom Pac again totally dominated in MAB's very next fight.

JMM has a long way to go and a lot of catching up to do before he can be a HOF material. His best shortcut to it is thru Pac and he better be not a hardcase in negotiating a rematch.
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You keep saying narrowly, but saying it is'nt going to make it so!

116-111 116-111 and 118-109

Unanimous for JMM!

So many in this forum and others like this have been insistent that nobody cares about JMM. That he is boring.....
What the hell did boxing or the judges have to gain by falsely giving JMM the fight by those types of scores?????

Again, Unanimous with the judges and just about Unanimous with the scoring boxing media!:deal

Raden · Oct 27, 2007

Thats all I'm saying.
Its still a good resume for Pac. Good fighters, but by no means was Pac dismantling fighters at the top of their game!
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Just wanted to clarify that Solis was undefeated when Pac put him into canvass.

mad_takamura · Oct 27, 2007

even so: for me solis is a bum. solis is like valero: undefeated but with questionable opponents.

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