If there was a film on John L Sullivan, I think the following would happen.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    If there was a film on John L Sullivan, I think the following would happen.


    The good:


    · Punchers tend to stand out on film, especially if their opposition is much smaller or not very defensive. So the knockouts would impress.


    · I'd expect to see better than average hand and foot speed as reports suggest.


    · Good effort and aggressiveness.


    · A better idea of when he was in shape and when he wasn't explaining some of the below-par performances



    The bad:


    · His competition would look awful, and Sullivan not impress in the mid-1880's which should have been his prime.


    · Modern fans would hate some of the rules, guys going down to avoid punishment and police stoppages.


    · The technique of the times would look very archaic.


    · His physique and his opponent's physique would not impress.


    · A lack of an effective left hand, and very little defense.



    Who would he remind me of? Best guess, Ingemar Johansson. Both fighters had a big right hand, and mediocre left. They were close enough in weight and size. Sullivan probably had the better chin and footwork, Johansson likely had the better defense and defeated and better competition. Each fighter was only beaten by one man.

    Second Choice: Gerrie Coetzee
     
  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I thought some of the resident Sullivan fans / experts would ring in.
     
  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I would expect his great traits such as power and speed to be ignored by modernists anyways who would be baffled by the styles due to ruleset and the fact that the film would be incredibly choppy. The classicists would defend it of course and we'd have a new hypothetical h2her to argue over but the grand scope of this boxing civil war would not change, nor would Sullivan even be a large talking point from the classic side like Marciano, Louis, Dempsey and Benny Leonard
     
  4. janitor

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    I think you are way off with the comparison to Ingemar Johansen.

    It seems to be based on a single erroneous assumption, that Sullivan was a primarily right handed fighter.

    Everybody who saw Sullivan fight before he broke his left arm in the Cardiff fight, seems to describe him as a two handed hitter.

    The things that contemporary observers seen to agree upon, is that he fought from a low crouch, with his weight resting on his front foot.

    This combined with his rushing offensive style, suggest that he was much more akin to somebody like Jack Dempsey.

    One fighter who was occasionally compared to Sullivan, by those who might have seen both, is Terry McGovern.

    This also suggests a come forward swarming fighter.
     
  5. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    I expect top power to be honest
     
  6. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    No trolling also ..i think sullivan starches modern heavies today
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I agree with some of your earlier points but you are hugely off in comparing him to stand up boxers like Coetzee or Ingo. John L was a scientific brawler, or at least scientific for his age. And there is commentary on his use of the left as a jab and a sweeping hook.

    I think a Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey agressive rusher type is more apt.
     
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