If these were Louis's title defences?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Agreed. There's no real comparison, imo. The 70s and 80s contenders were a far more talented group.
     
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  2. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    WHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT!!!!??? :eeeeek::eeek::eeek:

    I mean Joe Louis had like 20 title defenses??? Where are these H2H behemoths??!?1ß!!?1
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Check my comments in the top 50. Note Louis record here, and how he struggled vs guys who were NOT as good as the OP listed, that were also ranked in the top 50.

    The fact is he struggles vs guys who were smaller and gifted top 50 ratings. So why would he clean the clocks of a bigger and better bunch? Logic says he would not.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It isn't any one particular fighter that proposes the risk. It is the depth of the line-up. A lot of skill and athletic ability stacked up in unrelenting order, moreso than he faced (or could be asked to face). He's going to lose one or two in this run.
     
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  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    To be fair, you missed out Baer, Bivins and Sharkey. Whatever Bivins has to do there....

    Lets do this with Riddick Bowe:

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Evander Holyfield. Bowe 2-1
    4. George Foreman
    5. Larry Holmes
    6. Rocky Marciano.
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Jack Johnson
    10. Jack Dempsey
    11. Ezzard Charles
    12. James J. Jeffries
    13. Jersey Joe Walcott
    14. Mike Tyson
    15. Gene Tunney
    16. Harry Wills
    17. Sam Langford
    18. John L. Sullivan
    19. Max Schmeling
    20. Max Baer
    21. Floyd Patterson
    22. Ken Norton
    23. Riddick Bowe
    24. Bob Fitzsimmons
    25. Joe Jeannette
    26. Jimmy Bivins
    27. Jerry Quarry
    28. Jack Sharkey
    29. Archie Moore
    30. Sam McVey
    31. Cleveland Williams
    32. Lennox Lewis
    33. Earnie Shavers
    34. Jim Corbett
    35. Ernie Terrell
    36. Michael Spinks
    37. Jimmy Young
    38. Zora Folley
    39. Ingemar Johansson
    40. Ron Lyle
    41. Tim Witherspoon
    42. Jimmy Ellis
    43. Mike Weaver
    44. Michael Moorer
    45. James J. Braddock
    46. Tommy Farr
    47. Tommy Burns
    48. Tommy Gibbons
    49. Pinklon Thomas. Bowe 1-0
    50. Michael Dokes. Bowe 1-0

    A guy who fought half professional, half regular client at Burger King....
     
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  6. McGrain

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    The list you've provided has Louis at #2, which you presumably disagree with.

    Yet you want to use the list to denigrate Louis's opposition.

    You are using a list you yourself consider flawed to prove the guy at #2 doesn't deserve to be at #2 :lol:
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    The list is not mine, and my comment showed his results. You can not disagree with them.

    I think a guy they put at #2, who lost or struggled more often than not vs the vs. their top 50 doesn't belong at #2.

    Also take note they felt the 30's was the low point in heavyweight boxing

    Famous sells. Hero's sell. Louis was both.

    I have Louis in my top 6, not # 1-3, and that's with some pressure from others. But aside from what I think what record do you think Louis would have vs the 12 listed? Since your reading reading, and replying, why not comment to the OP?
     
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  8. McGrain

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    On the other hand the toxic name "bum of the month" could have tainted The Ring. If they can be so affected by "hero's sell" they can certainly have they're point of view skewed by something as negative as "Bum of the Month."

    But it doesn't really matter. There's nothing that reveals bias so completely as selective use of data.

    "Here's a list that doesn't flatter Joe Louis!"

    "But it has him at number 2?"

    "Ah well, the writers of the list were badly affected by hero worship..."

    "Then how can we trust it?"

    "..."

    "How can we trust the list if the writers are so easily affected?"

    "LOUIS BAD."
     
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  9. Fergy

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    He's a great fighter ,I've got him in my top 5.If Joe was fighting those mentioned ,at 3 fight s a year and near enough at his prime ,then he beats em all .
    Some won't be easy ,never said that ,but Joe would find a way .No one on that list was ever not stopped ,no one did what Louis did or fought like him. So I'm confident ,unlike some ,that Joe beats em .He'd be there at the end of 12 fight s unbeaten. Now if he ws facing Holmes, Foreman ,Lewis etc then it's a different story.
     
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  10. janitor

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    He would probably beat them all, but there might be a couple of close calls, as there were against his own opposition.

    The aspect that you can't anticipate, is the focus that this title reign would bring upon him.

    Everybody on that list would be looking for the blueprint to beat Louis, and learning from the mistakes of their predecessors!
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yes that's correct, they would. But that applied to Holmes, Ali ,Wlad ,Hagler ,Monzon etc.Being a great or Long reigning champion ,they Carry that extra something special. A mixture of skills and strength s to enable you through different style s of opposition. We're talking 4 years ,12 Challenger s of varying degrees of strength s but I believe Louis would find a way through the minefield .Won't be easy ,he'll struggle, be hurt and more than likely knocked down on occasion, but he'll find a way .
    It's not bum of the month club but their not world beaters either ,no disrespect to em but I don't see em winning.
     
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  12. janitor

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    Just so.
     
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  13. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's not making it through that list unscathed. Yes, I'd favor him to beat each one in an isolation bubble. But in actuality, and having to make it through the years without a loss is a little too much. It's possible because it's Joe Louis, but I wouldn't bet on it.
     
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  14. janitor

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    I hear what you are saying, but I have confidence in him!
     
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  15. Seamus

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    I just saw your previous post. The focus would be the important issue. If they were all one-off's you have to favor Louis. But over the long haul it would get dicey with that consistent level of quality.
     
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