If they retired today, where would you rank them as ATG's?

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  1. right_hook_roye

    right_hook_roye Member Full Member

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    1. pbf
    2. pac
    3. Oscar
    4. bhop
    5. cal
     
  2. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    DLH
    Mayweather (a close second - his case can be reassessed in a near future)
    Pac (a not so close third)
    B-Hop (it's like riding a roller coaster)
    Calzaghe (because there must be a fifth)
     
  3. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    Mosley represent a serious case of boxing revisionism. Other than that, beating Vargas, Carr, JCC twice, Camacho, Leija, Paez and Hernandez has merits.
     
  4. viperguy

    viperguy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dela Hoya has to be # 1 because his resume just can't be match. Win or lose, he pretty much fought them all. If you really go through all the good names that Hoya has been in the ring with, it is just insane. Pac also can't be ignore for what he did to the 3 Mexketeer. He suddently came out of nowhere and just pretty much dismantled them. I mean these were the top dogs, the guys to beat in the division.
     
  5. Spitbucket

    Spitbucket Guest

    Based on accomplishments and resume :

    DLH
    PBF
    (the order of the next three get no argument from me)
    PAC
    Hopkins
    JC
     
  6. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    I ask Mijares if he want fight Donaire and he say he knock him out in two round. Get tissues ready for kids and self.. will need a new Pinoy hero. :yep
     
  7. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    pbf
    bhop
    oscar
    pac
    calz
     
  8. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Thats it. I could move Floyd and Hopkins around, they are neck and neck but the last 3 are right.
     
  9. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins- lets face it he has had a long succesful career with mostly wins
    Oscar - He has faced everyone from 135 on up to 160. all the top names and only soundly beaten once against Hopkins. All his other losses were very competitive controversial fights.
    Calzaghe - a man of incredible skill who should have chosen to fight in the US more to get more popularity. Also he was in a very unpopular weight class.
    Pac - He is exciting but really other than beating MAB the first time has not fought a young great fighter in his prime. He likes to pick them as they are going to the retirement home.
    PBF - He has fought all the top names from 130 -154... WAIT! no he hasnt. His mouth is what has made him so famous. Do you guys realize the biggest name on his resume is Oscar De La Hoya who gave him a very close fight despite being over the hill. PBF has great skill but has not tested it against the best in a long long time. He also should have lost against Castillo.
     
  10. retriever

    retriever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    De La Hoya
    Mayweather
    Pacquiao
    Hopkins
    Calzaghe
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Oscar De La Hoya.....70s
    Floyd Mayweather.....40s
    Manny Pacquiao........80s
    Bernard Hopkins.........50s
    Joe Calzaghe............100ish
     
  12. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    nice assessment! but i just thought oscar should be a bit higher coz of he's acheivements
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There is an argument for him being a bit higher. I did a hundred, not a very good one, I wasn't happy with it, but I will say that it isn't possible to get Oscar much higher when taking his losses into account. But the guy fought the best, always, and he's a lock for the hundred. A great fighter.

    I also did a 55, and I WAS happy with that...Oscar didn't make it.
     
  14. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    1.Oscar-Only because if they all retired today, Mayweather will not have fought Cotto. Big blemish on his career.
    2.Mayweather-Undefeated champ in 5 divisions. Impressive resume at 130-140.
    3.Pacquiao-Wins over MAB, Eric Morales, Marquez (admittedly dubious, but nothing can ever change the outcomes of those fights, so I count it).
    4.Hopkins-Better resume than Calzaghes. Better overall competition, and judging from Hopkins-Calzaghe, I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb when I say Hopkins wins in a prime for prime matchup.
    5.Calzaghe-Solid wins over Kessler and Hopkins, and Lacy to a lesser extent, but otherwise weak competition puts him at the bottom of this particular list.
     
  15. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    did you also take note of some of the controversial losses?(tito, mosley)