If this is true:::pac is a bigger sham than i thought

:rofl:roll:

 

sorry it's for hudson. :good

 

Just read Ron Frazier's comments for the first time, and he depicts it like he knows damn well how the sport is run..........

.......an article like this should'nt be swept under the carpet......both sides of the promotion for the Pac fights for DLH and Cotto should be questioned about Frazier's comments.

Frazier's comments can very well be grandstanding on his part, but boxing will do itself a service in regards to safety, if at the very least they looked into the matter and questioned people in the know from both sides of the promotion, including those that write up the contracts..........

......sadly, this is boxing, its likely not to happen and just be swept under the carpet.

 

Roach is psychic.

Only a roach will survive a nuclear war!

 

I've been telling these clowns that this Roach issue with weight was discussed in this forum before Pac and DLH stepped into the ring......but they call it Pac hating.

 

Who did you pick Puga????

I picked Pacquiao, and I nailed the round as well!:deal

 

:rofl:roflNice one Farmy!

 

sadly i picked oscar and lose a bet. but i didn't expect pac to come from 135 to 147 and still look so fast. i believe most people and experts also believe that pac was maxed-out at 135 back then that's why they picked oscar. and yes that was even after we saw how oscar stuggled against forbes but still got a UD at 150 catch.

well i could not remember you picking pac in this fight. if that's the case good pick. :good

 

They act like they believed in Pac all along but even the biggest *******s around here like Silvermags and Enzo picked DLH by KO, and as you reasoned, since we had'nt seen Pacquiao past 135 lbs, one can hardly hold it against them.

 

you cannot fault any of them. back then it's the other way around. if you pick pacquiao, you are delusional. no way oscar is gonna lose against a lightweight who had a hard time disposing a david diaz. people even say that pac doesn't have forbes' chin and pac would be knocked out by a jab alone.

my honest opinion back then was that it's ok for pac to lose but he must lose fighting. just like jmm when he fought floyd. no one is expecting him to beat hoya anyways.

 

Gamache was not dehaydrated, Gatti just did a bigger "mayweather" on him by coming in at supposedly 19 pounds above the 140 pounds at fight time.

That is why among the boxing commissions, it is the only the american IBF that imposes a rehydration clause of not more than 10 pounds.

In oscar's case, it has more to do with how he lost hgis weight. Even 4 weeks before the fight, he was already hovering around 150 pounds, which basically tells us that he was losing muscle mass. During training, boxers don't dehydrate purposely because you are basically in training. However, your food intake is tailored to reach a scertain weight at a certain time frame.

Few weeks before fight time, he was already less than 147, so there is no need actually to dehydrate for this fight unless he intends to be at 140 when the fight is at the contracted weight of 147. However, because he did not dehydrate, he can never rehydrate as well. They attempted to rehydrate him by putting IV lines, but obviously you could end up killing someone with that even if there is no boxing. You simply can not put more fluid in a person without compromising the cardiovascular as well as pumonary function. Excessive fluid causes pulmonary edema,.

In a person who is not dehydrated, or did not lose body fluids, or blood, the maximum that you could probably infuse is around 2 liters or equivalent to 2 kilos or 4 pounds, which is exactly what Hoya gained. Forcing him to take mopre fluids would kill him.

If you do not get the logic, ask someone to drink two liters to someone who had already drunk fluid, vs. someone who had just run a new york marathon, or had diarrhea. The latter would have no problem taking in that 2 liters, but for someone who does not need that, that would be an agony.

 

Nobody is questioning that logic you're putting up here with regards to rehydration and when it should and should'nt be done.....

This has been a long thread, and obviously you have'nt been following along.........

......the only question here is why DLH chose to lose so much mass to get down to fighting weight way before the fight actually took place, as apposed to how he normally did it which had always been dehydrating down to weight, and rehydrating in the hours leading to the fight.

I understand fully what you're saying, that DLH chose to get to the limit early so that he did'nt have to dehydrate.

My position is that its very possible that DLH chose to get down to the limit early because of Ron Frazier's claim in that article that says there was a rehydration clause in the DLH-Pacquiao contract.

If there was indeed a rehydration clause in DLH's contract, it would have been rather dumb of DLH to hover around or close to the middleweight limit, and then dehydrate to 147 lbs in the days leading to the weighin.......
Had DLH done that with a rehydration clause in his contract, he would have not been able to drink any fluids to rehydrate his already dehydrated body, and he would have walked into that ring a complete dead man walking.

Either way you cut it for DLH, if there was a rehydration clause as Ron Frazier describes in that article, either way, DLH was doomed with it.

 

There was a re-hydration clause. It was that DLH would be fined $100 000 for every pound under or over 147 he came in. This was to discourage him dehydrating to make weight and inflating to 160 on fight night. Fair enough given that he was fighting a guy who was coming up from 135.

 

so did they have a "secret weigh in" on the day of the fight to make sure that this "re-hydration clause" was followed? they certainly didn't use the unofficial HBO scales...

honestly, does anyone really believe that team Pacquiao would have that much power during fight negotiations? does anyone really think a proud fighter like Cotto would risk his health and reputation just to get a fight againt Pac with such a ridiculous clause? that Oscar, the biggest draw in boxing at the time would actually bow down to Pac's supposed demands when Oscar obviously knew that he was the draw in the fight and not Pac?

Whoever believes this probably thinks that Pac is the most powerful figure in boxing if he's able to make these kinds of demands against tops fighters who are already big names in boxing...

 

he was even strong-armed by GBP into accepting a 32% share compared to oscar's 68% and now some stupid people thinks there is a rehydration clause? and whoever thinks that cotto is not more than 147 on fight night against pac should have their eyes checked.