If those 2 pounds are such a big deal, Canelo should hire Mackie Shilstone

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  1. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins was a career middle, came at 157-58 for De la hoya and . . . wait for it . . . . performed brilliantly. . . so if grandpa Hopkins can do it, why a 22 year old can't?



    Note* I see Floyd's hypocrisy with catch weights so don't need to argue about that
     
  2. GoodOldBoy

    GoodOldBoy Active Member Full Member

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    Correct me if I am wrong but don't people sometimes start shedding weight as the grow older due to lower testosterone levels?? I know that they have a slower metabolism but I'm not sure if that's just one side of the coin.

    It looks as if Canelo is struggling with making 154 so making 152 might be almost impossible for him so that's a very different story than someone who always made 160 easily and felt comfortable at that weight?
     
  3. PR BOXING

    PR BOXING Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't answer you that but like i said. Hopkins was at middle all of his fights. Canelo has gone below 154 a couple of times so that has to be an advantage
     
  4. GoodOldBoy

    GoodOldBoy Active Member Full Member

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    Canelo came in at 153 and 3/4 last time around, that could just be a bad scale really, he did come in at 153 and 1/4 in 2011 but that was a long long time ago. There are certain indications that making the weight is effecting Canelos performance already so it's therefor probable that going down all the way to 152 could be disastrous for him. Then again he DID sign the contract.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What indications?
     
  6. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what proof do you have that "Canelo is struggling with making 154" because ive never seen anything.

    trout and canelo both weighed in on fight night at realitively the same weight.

    is trout struggling to make 154 as well?

    or is canelos weight a "very different story" than trouts weight?

    by the way, I believe that schaeffer said that canelito was eating a hamburger the day of the weigh-in against trout. a known product with an abundance of salt that would retain water.
     
  7. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    according to boxrec.com canelo came in at 154.5. where did you see "154 and 3/4" at?

    now about your "bad scale" theory im fairly certain, if not entirely positive, that the Texas Department of Weights and Measures or some other Texas regulatory agency would've checked the accuracy of the scale prior to the weigh in.

    now since weve cleared this all up do you have anything else you want to add?
     
  8. GoodOldBoy

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    Look up the boxrec wiki for this fight. I didn't say 154,5 anywhere... it does however say 153 1/2 but that's still just half a pound.

    Listen to the commentary with Canelos last fight and the corner talk, they were claiming that he doesn't have any stamina due to struggling with making the weight. And you can kinda see what they mean, it looks as if he's pacing himself too much to conserve energy.

    As for the accuracy of scales there's always a margin of error, I have no idea how large that margin of error is for scales used for prizefighting but no scale is 100% accurate. If you read wikipedia then you'll find among other things the following: "In the United States, the document describing how scales must be designed, installed, and used for commercial purposes is NIST Handbook 44. Legal For Trade certification usually approve the readability as repeatability/10 to ensure a maximum margin of error of 10%."

    You believe "that schaeffer said that canelito was eating a hamburger the day of the weigh-in against trout" so you're not sure, maybe he said "Canelo wasn't eating any hamburgers today" and you just misheard or are misremembering and if we assume that you're not then maybe someone told schaeffer something different which schaeffer then misheard or misinterpreted and then spouted that line or maybe someone said something about Canelo seeing pink unicorns, what I'm trying to get at is that those comments of yours add very little to this discussion.
     
  9. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wether he struggles losing those extra 2 pounds or not Canelo would be wise to hire Shilstone, he's S&C work is the best bar none, all his atheletes come in shape & ripped, for those of you who don't know he worked with the likes of Micheal Spinks for his move up to heavyweight, Hopkins on his move up to 175 from middle & Roy Jones Jr for the Ruiz fight.
     
  10. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you said that canelo weighed in at "153 and 3/4" in your original post.
    now you are backtracking after being called out that nowhere does it say that canelo weighed-in at 153 3/4 as boxrec says 153.5.

    do you have a link to back up your 153 and 3/4?

    of course not as that is the definition of a troll.


    http://www.***********.com/schaefer-on-weight-penalty-clause-floyd-canelo--67284

    and I was admittingly wrong in that schaeffer said that canelo was "eating hamburgers the morning of the fight" as opposed to the day of the weigh-ins.

    now do you have that link showing canelo weighing in at 153 and 3/4 or any proof that the scale was bad? and how do you know if the scale was "bad" showing a heavier weight than a lighter one?

    maybe the scale was "bad" and canelo actually weighed in at 150 for trout?

    see how easy it is to twist things when youre trolling?
     
  11. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    Hopkins is an incredibly disciplined, physically gifted athlete, above and beyond Canelo's level. For Alvarez to make weight, he simply needs discipline and hard work, something that doesn't seem as important when you are 22 and have never been defeated.
     
  12. GoodOldBoy

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    These accusations of trolling are not called for..... I suggest that you learn to read. I don't feel like explaining everything to you as if I was talking to a 2 year old, I have a two year old right here that I can speak to, I don't need to go to bulletin boards to do so.
     
  13. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    ignore her mate. she's obviously on her rag today
     
  14. prelude

    prelude Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    2 pounds is a lot because you won't be fighting your opponent at their best weight. Your opponent will be drained and not hydrated. Just look at PAC when he fought Cotto...Floyd knows:lol:.
     
  15. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    insinuating that the scale was bad and claiming that canelo weighed-in at 153 and 3/4 without any facts to support your claim...that's trolling.

    at least that's what anyone that could read would think.

    seriously...canelo weighed in on a "bad scale," a theory that only you have contrived, is your accusation to support your claim that hes currently drained at 154?

    I suggest you go troll with your two-year-old.

    and what about that link showing canelo weighing in at 153 and 3/4 as you proclaimed?